How? Who are you to tell someone to have a child they dont want? What if its rape or incest or a toxic pregnancy?
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by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:14 pm
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:15 pm
Saiwania wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:To be selfish, you have to inconvenience someone or "lack consideration for" someone else. Abortion does not inconvenience anyone except the person having the abortion. And honestly, you should have no consideration for anyone who tells you to do something with your body that you don't want to. Something being "easier" doesn't make it selfish, not to mention that abortion isn't easy, ever.
Also abortion for $3000??? Where is it that expensive?
It is lacking consideration for the person to be born, if the child in the womb is developed enough. At the beginning, no question it is not sentient. But the longer a pregnancy progresses, the more its "too late" to do an abortion without terminating a person that is alive technically speaking.
I reject the notion that bodily autonomy is sacrosanct because it is just isn't in my experience. There are many examples of people having things done to them without permission such as getting required immunizations whilst they're too young to object. A lot of people with dementia refuse to shower as one example. Of course they should be forced to take a shower if they're not living on their own and it is in their best interests. The Hippocratic Oath is largely a load of nonsense that interferes with doing what needs to be done in a lot of cases.
Of course abortion is far easier than giving birth, that is sort of the entire point of it. Many women are too unprepared or don't have it in them to carry a pregnancy to the end so they use Abortion as some sort of lifeline that can "bail them out" of an unpleasant situation or experience.
So far as how much Abortions cost in the US, it can range from $0 to $3,275 depending on how a person goes about acquiring such a service. Then again, this is 2014 prices. But I don't expect inflation to have moved it much higher, so it is within that range.
https://clearhealthcosts.com/blog/2014/ ... -theresas/
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:16 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:18 pm
Saiwania wrote:In a situation where someone is more likely to always be in poverty, there is nothing to lose for them if they're already at the bottom in status, if they decide to have kids anyways. They might as well breed while they can, instead of waiting until they're too old to have children. If they can't afford their children, they can always be abandoned to community care or adoption if not foster care.
Why else would all the poorest countries tend to have the highest fertility rates?
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:22 pm
Espenia wrote:Are gifs allowed? Like I am genuinely curious.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:23 pm
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:The poorest countries have the highest fertility rates because they don't have access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, or protections in regards to violence against women.
by USS Monitor » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:25 pm
New haven america wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
If someone has moral reservations about abortion, then reducing the number of abortions is still productive, even if you don't get everyone to agree with you.
But then the question becomes how? One side generally thinks that in order to reduce them, they need to be banned and sluts need to keep their legs closed, while the other generally believes in comprehensive sex ed and easy access to protection, which the former hates, while the latter finds the formers ideas abhorrent.
And then we go around and around and around and around and around and around...
by New haven america » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:29 pm
Saiwania wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:The poorest countries have the highest fertility rates because they don't have access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, or protections in regards to violence against women.
I don't quite buy this. My sense is that if developed countries got rid of all contraceptives, sex education, and rolled back women's rights, that such countries would still have lower birth rates to contend with. Romania wasn't exactly successful in that venture when they tried. There are obviously more reasons behind why countries such as Japan- are full of people who don't ever want to reproduce or are unable to, because it'll hurt their career, there is a lack of affordable daycare, or whatever.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:30 pm
Saiwania wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:The poorest countries have the highest fertility rates because they don't have access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, or protections in regards to violence against women.
I don't quite buy this. My sense is that if developed countries got rid of all contraceptives, sex education, and rolled back women's rights, that such countries would still have lower birth rates to contend with. Romania wasn't exactly successful in that venture when they tried. There are obviously more reasons behind why countries such as Japan- are full of people who don't ever want to reproduce or are unable to, because it'll hurt their career, there is a lack of affordable daycare, or whatever.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:39 pm
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Traditionalist beliefs that women are supposed to be homemakers and give birth
by Katganistan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:39 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:To be selfish, you have to inconvenience someone or "lack consideration for" someone else. Abortion does not inconvenience anyone except the person having the abortion. And honestly, you should have no consideration for anyone who tells you to do something with your body that you don't want to. Something being "easier" doesn't make it selfish, not to mention that abortion isn't easy, ever.
Also abortion for $3000??? Where is it that expensive?
Maybe he lives in Missouri?
That is rather high. Tends to run 350-950 through planned parenthood. More when it’s in the second trimester.
What’s the best way to protect myself from STDs and pregnancy?
The only 100% certain way to avoid STDs is to not do any sexual stuff that involves body fluids or skin-to-skin touching with another person (including oral, anal, and vaginal sex).
And the only 100% certain way to avoid pregnancy is to not have penis-in-vagina sex, or do any sexual stuff where sperm can touch a vulva or vagina (this is called abstinence).
But let’s get real: most people do have sex at some point in their life. And there are ways to help protect yourself from STDs and/or pregnancy if you decide to have sex.
Using safer sex barriers (like condoms and dental dams) every time you have oral, anal, or vaginal sex helps protect you from STDs. And using birth control (including condoms) every time you have penis-in-vagina sex helps prevent pregnancy.
Condoms are the only type of birth control that helps prevent pregnancy and STDs at the same time. But if you have penis-in-vagina sex, the best way to protect yourself is to use condoms PLUS another birth control method — like the pill, IUD, implant, or shot. That way you’re protected from STDs, and double-protected from pregnancy.
Getting tested for STDs regularly and talking honestly with people you hook up with about preventing pregnancy and/or STDs is another way to keep yourself healthy.
by Katganistan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:41 pm
by Neanderthaland » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:44 pm
Saiwania wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:If you want to give the best possible upbringing for your child, then having a child at a time where you are not financially prepared is detrimental to them. Having an abortion, and bringing a child into the world at a time of greater financial security would be in their best interest.
The rub is that sometimes, you'll never truly be "financially prepared" to raise a child. Because you'll always be poor or a low earner because you're incompetent or don't have it in you to raise your income or earning potential by much, and being poor has a way of keeping someone poor- unless they're cutthroat or ruthless enough to economically climb via saving and investing and etc. despite every obstacle in their path towards success in life.
by Pacomia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:47 pm
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:53 pm
Pacomia wrote:And yet so is the US, which increasingly goes against that. Similar deal in most of Western Europe, which is really the best-off part of the world.
Neanderthaland wrote:So? I mean, that sucks for people in poverty. But your stance of, "have kids you can't properly look after now, because life is hopeless anyway," is frankly dumb.
by Katganistan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:00 pm
Saiwania wrote:Pacomia wrote:And yet so is the US, which increasingly goes against that. Similar deal in most of Western Europe, which is really the best-off part of the world.
No, the US and Europe are in terminal decline, so is Japan and most of the White developed world which is increasingly becoming non-White. China is rising to most of the entire rest of the world's expense. China should've been stopped while there was still a chance for that. But China becoming a super power is near inevitable now.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:04 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Pacomia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:09 pm
Saiwania wrote:Pacomia wrote:And yet so is the US, which increasingly goes against that. Similar deal in most of Western Europe, which is really the best-off part of the world.
No, the US and Europe are in terminal decline, so is Japan and most of the White developed world which is increasingly becoming non-White. China is rising to most of the entire rest of the world's expense. China should've been stopped while there was still a chance for that. But China becoming a super power is near inevitable now.
by Neanderthaland » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:11 pm
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:12 pm
Pacomia wrote:Saiwania wrote:
No, the US and Europe are in terminal decline, so is Japan and most of the White developed world which is increasingly becoming non-White. China is rising to most of the entire rest of the world's expense. China should've been stopped while there was still a chance for that. But China becoming a super power is near inevitable now.
Always about the decline of white people for you, isn’t it?
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:13 pm
Pacomia wrote:Always about the decline of white people for you, isn’t it?
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:16 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
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