2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... senate-run

Corey Lewandowski Trump's former campaign manager is widely expected to announce a bid for Senate in New Hampshire soon against incumbent Jeanne Shaheen. Thought i do not believe any election is a sure thing anymore i have a very difficult time seeing him winning the general election. He might be popular among the Republican base but its unlikely he has much appeal with a general electorate.

New Hampshire is a libertarian leaning state and far right candidates don't do well in New England. If he is the nominee I could see him dragging down the rest of the ticket and possibly causing Governor Chris Sununu to lose reelection. He had a very close call in 2018. New Hampshire is one of two states that elects its governor to two year terms.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, put Buttigieg in the cabinet so his donors can get him to fire more black people at the behest of their racist subordinates.

Are you trying to imply that he's a racist?

No. I'm referencing allegations that some South Bend police officers were secretly recorded complaining about having a black police chief, and talking about their plan to work with some of Buttigieg's donors to get him elected as mayor so he'd fire that chief. Which he did.

[San Lumen]

Are you trying to imply that he's a racist?

No. I'm referencing allegations that some South Bend police officers were secretly recorded complaining about having a black police chief, and talking about their plan to work with some of Buttigieg's donors to get him elected as mayor so he'd fire that chief. Which he did.

is there any proof of that claim?

[Ifreann]

No. I'm referencing allegations that some South Bend police officers were secretly recorded complaining about having a black police chief, and talking about their plan to work with some of Buttigieg's donors to get him elected as mayor so he'd fire that chief. Which he did.

is there any proof of that claim?

Just the word of the one person who'll admit to having heard of those secret recordings, I believe. Supposedly Buttigieg's lawyers heard them too, but Mayor Pete has long maintained that while he wants to know what was said but cannot even legally ask about it, the recordings may have run afoul of federal wiretap laws.

[Valrifell]

I actually think I prefer Warren of Bernie nowadays. Warren has been great at proposing stuff, Bernie's just Bernie. Which is fine, he's consistent, but still. And his personality cult does get a bit ridiculous sometimes, but I'm not sure that's really his fault.

I don't think he (intentionally) tries to cultivate it the same way Trump does, but it does factor into how I see him unfortunately.

[Valrifell]

is there any proof of that claim?

Just the word of the one person who'll admit to having heard of those secret recordings, I believe. Supposedly Buttigieg's lawyers heard them too, but Mayor Pete has long maintained that while he wants to know what was said but cannot even legally ask about it, the recordings may have run afoul of federal wiretap laws.

Afaik the only person who's heard the recordings were the police chief who got fired and maybe one other person.

[San Lumen]

is there any proof of that claim?

Just the word of the one person who'll admit to having heard of those secret recordings, I believe. Supposedly Buttigieg's lawyers heard them too, but Mayor Pete has long maintained that while he wants to know what was said but cannot even legally ask about it, the recordings may have run afoul of federal wiretap laws.

Until actual hard evidence emerges color me skeptical

[Valrifell]

No. I'm referencing allegations that some South Bend police officers were secretly recorded complaining about having a black police chief, and talking about their plan to work with some of Buttigieg's donors to get him elected as mayor so he'd fire that chief. Which he did.

is there any proof of that claim?

The actual allegations is that a handful of officers said ~something~ racist or otherwise problematic, the chief fired them using (possibly illegal recordings) as evidence and Buttigieg fired the police chief.

We don't know exactly what was said and we don't know if the recordings were actually illegal and can be heard.

[Vassenor]

Sanders didn't get the good thing, therefore the only logical conclusion is that there is a conspiracy holding him back from the thing, regardless of the presence of evidence or alternate explanations.

This kind of conspiratorial thinking is why I stopped liking the Sanders fan club.

It's hardly conspiratorial thinking, or exclusive to sanders. The simple reality is that the Democrat party does not have a democratic primary. The DNC plays kingmaker. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/75790117 ... es-packing

Reminder that Sanders lost the popular vote in the 2016 primary. Some kingmaking.

[San Lumen]

https://madmimi.com/s/b0fd4f

Well this is interesting. Governor Brian Kemp has announced that any qualified Georgians who want to serve in the Senate should submit their name and qualifications to his office for review. Senator Johnny Isakson has announced he will resign in December due to complications from Parkinson's disease

I must say this appears to be a first as I have never of such a process being done. I doubt there will be Mr. Smith goes to Washington though. Someone already in elected office will be chosen.

A special election will be held next year to fill out the rest of the term

[Thermodolia]

https://madmimi.com/s/b0fd4f

Well this is interesting. Governor Brian Kemp has announced that any qualified Georgians who want to serve in the Senate should submit their name and qualifications to his office for review. Senator Johnny Isakson has announced he will resign in December due to complications from Parkinson's disease

I must say this appears to be a first as I have never of such a process being done. I doubt there will be Mr. Smith goes to Washington though. Someone already in elected office will be chosen.

A special election will be held next year to fill out the rest of the term

He has to appoint someone to replace Isakson; Georgia law doesn’t say anything about how he has to appoint someone.

[San Lumen]

https://madmimi.com/s/b0fd4f

Well this is interesting. Governor Brian Kemp has announced that any qualified Georgians who want to serve in the Senate should submit their name and qualifications to his office for review. Senator Johnny Isakson has announced he will resign in December due to complications from Parkinson's disease

I must say this appears to be a first as I have never of such a process being done. I doubt there will be Mr. Smith goes to Washington though. Someone already in elected office will be chosen.

A special election will be held next year to fill out the rest of the term

He has to appoint someone to replace Isakson; Georgia law doesn’t say anything about how he has to appoint someone.

Even so its not something ive ever heard of being done before.

[Shrillland]

He has to appoint someone to replace Isakson; Georgia law doesn’t say anything about how he has to appoint someone.

Even so its not something ive ever heard of being done before.

Unusual perhaps, but nothing to be too concerned over I think. A Republican held the seat, a Republican will get it. I can't say which one's the most likely myself.

[San Lumen]

Even so its not something ive ever heard of being done before.

Unusual perhaps, but nothing to be too concerned over I think. A Republican held the seat, a Republican will get it. I can't say which one's the most likely myself.

Im not concerned. I welcome such a process.

Both seats will definitely be competitive and with both seats up the Senate is at best a toss up.

[Thermodolia]

Even so its not something ive ever heard of being done before.

Unusual perhaps, but nothing to be too concerned over I think. A Republican held the seat, a Republican will get it. I can't say which one's the most likely myself.

A republican will likely get it. There’s nothing preventing him from appointing an independent or libertarian or any other party

[Syfenq]

is there any proof of that claim?

The actual allegations is that a handful of officers said ~something~ racist or otherwise problematic, the chief fired them using (possibly illegal recordings) as evidence and Buttigieg fired the police chief.

We don't know exactly what was said and we don't know if the recordings were actually illegal and can be heard.

This makes me less skeptical of Buttigieg's tenure as South Bend mayor, although I'm still concerned by how hipster/boujee/white his primary support base is.

[Bienenhalde]

Yeah, put Buttigieg in the cabinet so his donors can get him to fire more black people at the behest of their racist subordinates.

Are you trying to imply that he's a racist?

The far-left accuses anyone remotely sensible of being a racist.

[Ifreann]

Are you trying to imply that he's a racist?

The far-left accuses anyone remotely sensible of being a racist.

Are you trying to imply that he's a racist?

No.

[South Odreria 2]

The Working Families Party refuses to release the membership vs leadership vote breakdown behind the Warren endorsement. It is very likely that the membership voted for Sanders but was overruled by the leadership. We'll see how this plays out.

What makes it likely?

If Warren won the membership vote, wouldn't they be eager to show us?

[San Lumen]

What makes it likely?

If Warren won the membership vote, wouldn't they be eager to show us?

Do you have evidence for your claim?

[South Odreria 2]

If Warren won the membership vote, wouldn't they be eager to show us?

Do you have evidence for your claim?

Are you denying that they haven't released the vote tally?

[Recidivism]

Holy shit Bernie. National rent control?

[South Odreria 2]

Fox (538 A): Biden 29 (-2), Sanders 18 (+8), Warren 16 (-4).
YouGov (B): Biden 25, Warren 21 (-5), Sanders 14 (-2).

In fairness, the last polls were outliers against Sanders and for Warren, respectively, so this isn't her collapsing or him exploding.

[Blargoblarg]

Bernie just released his new 'Housing for All' plan.

White House hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday released a $2.5 trillion plan to guarantee housing for every American.

Sanders said the plan would “guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.

“There is virtually no place in America where a full-time minimum wage worker can afford a decent two bedroom apartment. At a time when half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, this is unacceptable,” he said. “For too long the federal government has ignored the extraordinary housing crisis in our country. That will end when I am president.”

[South Odreria 2]

Bernie just released his new 'Housing for All' plan.

White House hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday released a $2.5 trillion plan to guarantee housing for every American.

Sanders said the plan would “guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.

“There is virtually no place in America where a full-time minimum wage worker can afford a decent two bedroom apartment. At a time when half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, this is unacceptable,” he said. “For too long the federal government has ignored the extraordinary housing crisis in our country. That will end when I am president.”

My main criticism of the plan is it doesn't include mental health -- especially as many if not most of the long-term homeless have serious mental illness. Ultimately there need to be some institutions where those people can live safely, and means to commit patients to them in extreme cases. The majority of the plan looks great though.