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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287
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Postby Corrian » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Apparently the protesters were on about DACA...so take that ten people who were united on restoring DACA...

Seems like an odd target for protest.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:52 pm

I don't think anything changed tonight.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:54 pm

Corrian wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Apparently the protesters were on about DACA...so take that ten people who were united on restoring DACA...

Seems like an odd target for protest.

It makes a certain degree of sense, they're trying to get it in the conversation. When asked about it the candidates are going to essentially agree with their premise. They create more motion on their issue a bit by doing it.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:55 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:I don't think anything changed tonight.


Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:56 pm

Every debate has ended with the same story, "Trump was supposed to be watching but was mostly quiet on Twitter" surprise. It's not a surprise, ain't no way he has the attention span for this. Stop pretending he was going to make it all the way through this.
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Postby The Land of the Moths » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:56 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:I don't think anything changed tonight.

Harris drops, Pete drops a tad. Castro and O'Rourke go up a bit. I'm not even going to try and predict what happens with Yang.

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Postby Tyrassueb » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:56 pm

I think Biden is going to slip after getting attacked several times again and his look of just utter defeat when the protestors started chanting among several small statements they made (referring to themselves as the vice-president purely in the present tense, for instance, at a few points).

Sanders, Yang and Warren should have been called on more and most of the other candidates should have been, like, stopped when they ran really long over their allotted times.

I think Harris, Booker and Biden will slip some, most everyone else is going to stay pretty steady.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:56 pm

Grand Proudhonia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:I don't think anything changed tonight.


Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah


Already dead. I'm looking forward to six candidate debates next month.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Grand Proudhonia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:I don't think anything changed tonight.


Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah

I feel like you're hoping if you say this enough it will be true.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Tyrassueb » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:57 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Grand Proudhonia wrote:
Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah


Already dead. I'm looking forward to six candidate debates next month.

>Six
I'm hoping we get it down to just 5.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Biden sinks, Warren rises, and Harris will spend the next five months struggling to remain relevant. I'll keep all that in mind.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:58 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Grand Proudhonia wrote:
Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah

I feel like you're hoping if you say this enough it will be true.

I really don't like her
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Postby The Land of the Moths » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:58 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Grand Proudhonia wrote:
Harris just killed her campaign but other than that... yeah

I feel like you're hoping if you say this enough it will be true.

I feel like you think way too highly of your own opinions.

"Haha, who even is that?"
"Wow, I forgot they were on stage!"

Most insufferable part of the night.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:59 pm

Tyrassueb wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:
Already dead. I'm looking forward to six candidate debates next month.

>Six
I'm hoping we get it down to just 5.

Next month has the same qualifier with a longer window for the polls, which last I checked means that there's at least one more person on stage. There's still like nine other people not on the stage tonight still running for some reason, you gotta widdle through those cats first.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:59 pm

The Land of the Moths wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I feel like you're hoping if you say this enough it will be true.

I feel like you think way too highly of your own opinions.

"Haha, who even is that?"
"Wow, I forgot they were on stage!"

Most insufferable part of the night.

Thank you for your contribution.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:00 pm

Grand Proudhonia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I feel like you're hoping if you say this enough it will be true.

I really don't like her

Hadn't noticed.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tyrassueb wrote:>Six
I'm hoping we get it down to just 5.

Next month has the same qualifier with a longer window for the polls, which last I checked means that there's at least one more person on stage. There's still like nine other people not on the stage tonight still running for some reason, you gotta widdle through those cats first.


There is indeed, Steyer will be appearing, so it'll be another two-nighter.
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Postby Ngelmish » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:01 pm

Biden and Harris had the shakiest nights overall, Yang and Buttiegieg started off weakly but managed rebound, everybody else had solid nights interspersed with individually strong moments.

Fundamentally, unless there's sudden downward movement in Biden's numbers, nothing will change because too many also rans at once are crowding each other out. None of them can grow substantially when they almost all look good to primary voters, it's causing menu paralysis.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:02 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Next month has the same qualifier with a longer window for the polls, which last I checked means that there's at least one more person on stage. There's still like nine other people not on the stage tonight still running for some reason, you gotta widdle through those cats first.


There is indeed, Steyer will be appearing, so it'll be another two-nighter.

Would they do a five and six person night? I don't know...you split the candidates but you also give them room to actually make their case. Kind of in favor of it really.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
There is indeed, Steyer will be appearing, so it'll be another two-nighter.

Would they do a five and six person night? I don't know...you split the candidates but you also give them room to actually make their case. Kind of in favor of it really.


That's what I'm thinking myself.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:04 pm

I want Tulsi back on the stage tbh
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:06 pm

Grand Proudhonia wrote:I want Tulsi back on the stage tbh

She's on the bubble, she just needs two more polls.
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Postby The Land of the Moths » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:07 pm

Grand Proudhonia wrote:I want Tulsi back on the stage tbh

Same. She's leagues more interesting and genuine than Harris. Just swap the two out.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:12 pm

The Land of the Moths wrote:
Grand Proudhonia wrote:I want Tulsi back on the stage tbh

Same. She's leagues more interesting and genuine than Harris. Just swap the two out.

My thought exactly, Tulsi is just Harris but infinitely better
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:13 pm

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