Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.
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by Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:07 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:09 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?
Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.
by Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:15 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.
Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.
by Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.
Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.
by Farnhamia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.
We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.
by San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:19 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.
We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.
by Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:19 pm
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by United States of Devonta » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:23 pm
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No their doesn't. That's why many states came up w/ recount laws after the fact. 500 vote margin is way to small not to do a recount. It was conservatives rapping their arms around conservatives. It was robbery. It was corruption at the highest levels. The law wouldn't of stopped a recall either. It goes bot ways.
It's not robbery if the election was never yours to win. It wasn't corruption either, as the ruling complied with the Equal Protection Clause.
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by San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:24 pm
by Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm
Shrillland wrote:In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.
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by Loben The 2nd » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:24 am
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.
I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled
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by Zurkerx » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:23 am
by San Lumen » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:31 am
Zurkerx wrote:San Lumen wrote:If the UK can do it so can we
The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?
by Zurkerx » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:32 am
San Lumen wrote:Zurkerx wrote:
The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?
In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.
We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems
by Pacomia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:33 am
San Lumen wrote:Zurkerx wrote:
The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?
In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.
We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems
by 5 Kingdoms of Britannia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:37 am
Pacomia wrote:San Lumen wrote:In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.
We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems
So, you’re saying make people use more effort to wait a longer time to be more rushed at voting? No, because you can just not do all of that by getting ballots mailed to your doorsteps. It’s much easier.
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