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by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:45 am
by Gormwood » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:51 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Necroghastia wrote:
Please read the thread again, we already went over how giving the death penalty costs even more than life imprisonment.
Please read the thread again and how that's an injustice as bad as just summarily executing people is.
This is not a defense, it's a sign your side has managed to tilt the game to make it easier to indulge their own petty phobias at the price of Justice.
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by East African Unitary State » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:22 am
by Agarntrop » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:31 am
by Necroghastia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:22 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Necroghastia wrote:
Please read the thread again, we already went over how giving the death penalty costs even more than life imprisonment.
Please read the thread again and how that's an injustice as bad as just summarily executing people is.
This is not a defense, it's a sign your side has managed to tilt the game to make it easier to indulge their own petty phobias at the price of Justice.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:36 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:37 pm
Necroghastia wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Please read the thread again and how that's an injustice as bad as just summarily executing people is.
This is not a defense, it's a sign your side has managed to tilt the game to make it easier to indulge their own petty phobias at the price of Justice.
Repeating that prison time is an injustice does not an argument make.
Gormwood wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Please read the thread again and how that's an injustice as bad as just summarily executing people is.
This is not a defense, it's a sign your side has managed to tilt the game to make it easier to indulge their own petty phobias at the price of Justice.
So you want him released immediately.
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:39 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Necroghastia wrote:
Repeating that prison time is an injustice does not an argument make.
Neither does disregarding the argument to attack a different one.
The argument is that Life Imprisonment is of equal consequence to the death sentence and should face similar procedural hurdles. The lack of these hurdles is no less unjust than 'Saving time' and shooting suspects in the face when implicated.
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:42 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Neither does disregarding the argument to attack a different one.
The argument is that Life Imprisonment is of equal consequence to the death sentence and should face similar procedural hurdles. The lack of these hurdles is no less unjust than 'Saving time' and shooting suspects in the face when implicated.
Is this a world in which the Innocence Project doesn't exists and people can be raised from the dead if a mistake is discovered?
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:46 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Is this a world in which the Innocence Project doesn't exists and people can be raised from the dead if a mistake is discovered?
Given people who are given life in prison face far fewer procedural hurdles, it's kinda interesting that most of the people who end up aquitted by such.... Are those who faced life in prison rather than the death penalty.
Can you give them decades of their life back? With some manner of youth serum or time machine perhaps?
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:48 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Given people who are given life in prison face far fewer procedural hurdles, it's kinda interesting that most of the people who end up aquitted by such.... Are those who faced life in prison rather than the death penalty.
Can you give them decades of their life back? With some manner of youth serum or time machine perhaps?
Are you able to raise the dead?
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:52 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:57 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:00 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:That would certainly make one able to raise the dead, but alas no. But an alive person can be released. A dead person remains dead. Certainly you see the qualitative difference.
Not particularly. If I was locked up for twenty years, is it really the same me coming out?
The Emerald Legion wrote:In either case, you're the one arguing it should be easier to lock people up forever without proving beyond a doubt they deserve it... Because killing people is bad or something.
The Emerald Legion wrote:Your argument is literal nonsense, unless taken as 'Yes this is deliberately unfair because we don't want executions at all but lack the ability to make it happen.'
by Agarntrop » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:11 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't like life imprisonment in general, so I wouldn't have given it to him. That being said, if anyone deserves it it's him, so I'm going to pick my battles and say good, if life imprisonment is something you do.
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:17 pm
Agarntrop wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't like life imprisonment in general, so I wouldn't have given it to him. That being said, if anyone deserves it it's him, so I'm going to pick my battles and say good, if life imprisonment is something you do.
Why are you against life imprisonment?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:19 pm
Necroghastia wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Why? Prison in general is pointless for anything beyond temporary detainment to prevent a suspect from running away. Everything else would be better solved via Fines and actual Repayment. The Democrats hardon for imprisonment is one thing that always bewildered me. Just put a bullet in the guy if you don't want him rejoining society, anything else is just societal cowardice.
Just gonna ignore the comments above that point out that the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment, I see, as well as the argument that allowing the death penalty can and has also resulted in innocent people getting executed.
by Neutraligon » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:24 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Agarntrop wrote:Why are you against life imprisonment?
It probably (I mean, they can answer for themselves) has to do with what you think incarceration is for. If it's simply punishment or justice it's sort of problematic. Punishment or the fear of getting caught doesn't factor in as clearly in preventing crime, if we're just punishing people to make ourselves feel better than there's the question of how valuable that is as a society. If you adopt the Norwegian model, where life sentences aren't a thing and the most you can get is 25 years or something like that which can be extended at the end if its determined that the person is still a threat but during that time the prisoner is rehabilitated rather than simply punished. This means that they're given reasonable living conditions and a chance to improve and interact.
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:28 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:It probably (I mean, they can answer for themselves) has to do with what you think incarceration is for. If it's simply punishment or justice it's sort of problematic. Punishment or the fear of getting caught doesn't factor in as clearly in preventing crime, if we're just punishing people to make ourselves feel better than there's the question of how valuable that is as a society. If you adopt the Norwegian model, where life sentences aren't a thing and the most you can get is 25 years or something like that which can be extended at the end if its determined that the person is still a threat but during that time the prisoner is rehabilitated rather than simply punished. This means that they're given reasonable living conditions and a chance to improve and interact.
I'm of the opinion that there are people who are too dangerous be released and as such life sentences should exist as a possibility in order to protect the populous.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:30 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't like life imprisonment in general, so I wouldn't have given it to him. That being said, if anyone deserves it it's him, so I'm going to pick my battles and say good, if life imprisonment is something you do.
by Agarntrop » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:30 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:It probably (I mean, they can answer for themselves) has to do with what you think incarceration is for. If it's simply punishment or justice it's sort of problematic. Punishment or the fear of getting caught doesn't factor in as clearly in preventing crime, if we're just punishing people to make ourselves feel better than there's the question of how valuable that is as a society. If you adopt the Norwegian model, where life sentences aren't a thing and the most you can get is 25 years or something like that which can be extended at the end if its determined that the person is still a threat but during that time the prisoner is rehabilitated rather than simply punished. This means that they're given reasonable living conditions and a chance to improve and interact.
I'm of the opinion that there are people who are too dangerous be released and as such life sentences should exist as a possibility in order to protect the populous.
by Nakena » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:30 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't like life imprisonment in general, so I wouldn't have given it to him. That being said, if anyone deserves it it's him, so I'm going to pick my battles and say good, if life imprisonment is something you do.
Some people are too dangerous to walk amongst us, so life imprisonment is a must for a safe society.
by Grenartia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:31 pm
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