[R] Flaming in LWDT

[Great Minarchistan]

There is?

Not to a Nazi like yourself, no. To almost everyone else, though? Yeah.

(emphasis mine) Pretty sure this qualifies for flaming under the premise of personal attacks flinged at other players. Last two pages or so might need some thrawling too.

[Great Minarchistan]

*drops cookies expecting some staff member to look this up*

[Lamoni]

Addressed.

[Torrocca]

If me calling NC a Nazi for using Nazi rhetoric is actionable as flamebait, then surely the rhetoric he used to advocate for violence against an entire community of people by calling for them to be gassed is surely actionable, too, right?:

Pepe or Groyper or whatever the fuck the r/frenworld frog's name was ANNIHILATED by THE PEOPLE'S MILKSHAKES in another BRUTAL COMMIE INTERNET ATTACK lmao

Chapo needs to be fumigated, tbh.

I just wanna be clear here on this, since this is pretty openly advocating for murder. And, yes, I completely realize I'm an utter idiot for not just reporting this from the get-go and moving on. No need to speculate on that one lol

[Nova Cyberia]

If me calling NC a Nazi for using Nazi rhetoric is actionable as flamebait, then surely the rhetoric he used to advocate for violence against an entire community of people by calling for them to be gassed is surely actionable, too, right?:

Chapo needs to be fumigated, tbh.

I just wanna be clear here on this, since this is pretty openly advocating for murder. And, yes, I completely realize I'm an utter idiot for not just reporting this from the get-go and moving on. No need to speculate on that one lol

It was clear to pretty much everyone else in the thread that I was not calling for murder.

[Nova Cyberia]

Like, seriously, it was clear to pretty much every other poster in that thread what I meant.

I can confirm that I am Appropriately Outraged and close to suffocating under the weight of all these pearls I'm clutching.

Just another victim of this murderous metaphor.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

Honestly the joke was in poor taste, but I am surprised why Torra didn't just give up when it became obvious NC isn't gonna even recognize his joke was in poor taste.

Torr's been arguing that it was and wasn't a joke so I'm not sure even she knows what she's getting at anymore tbh outside of "NC bad".

TBH that happens a lot on LWDT.

Usually with less fervor.

It's really not. Explain how "Chapo needs to be fumigated tbh" conveys either irony or a metaphor for "ban this community" in ANY way whatsoever.

Because we were talking about banning subreddits (something we should rarely do btw), and then he made a coy, offhand remark that a subreddit should be fumigated. That sounds a lot more like "this sun should be banned" than "I want to literally exterminate people who disagree with me."

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

Ok but that's not what happened.

The only one who still unironically thinks I was calling for murder is Torra. At this point, she's being blatantly dishonest.

[Torrocca]

I would like to make it abundantly clear that NC spent several pages immediately after that post not even attempting to "clarify" that he supposedly wasn't talking about gassing people, and that there were more people who directly saw it as him calling for people to be gassed.

[Nova Cyberia]

I would like to make it abundantly clear that NC spent several pages immediately after that post not even attempting to "clarify" that he supposedly wasn't talking about gassing people, and that there were more people who directly saw it as him calling for people to be gassed.

Literally the very next page:

Ooh, and now you're just going to pretend it was """ironic""". Got any other unsurprising tactics up your sleeve?

No, I'm going to claim your suggestion that I want to genocide an internet forum makes no sense.

[Torrocca]

For instance, a good couple of these come from posts made by people NC's falsely claiming saw his calls for gassing people as a joke:

I actually chuckled audibly here.

Good grief, you live for hysteria.


Cheap? Not at all.

Well, perhaps I should have added that you also live for attacking your opponents for logging off of an internet forum for two hours lmao

you make a clearly grotesque claim, then try and hide behind the "it's just a prank!" defence. pathetic.

So one the one hand you think it was a joke...


...and on the other you don't?

Fascinating.

Their opposition to your 'joke' was that you were lightly throwing around Nazi rhetoric, and your repeated use of said rhetoric (indicated by your posts here and your sig) indicate that you've got a bit in common with those skinheads wielding tiki torches.

Why's dark humor so alien to you?

Advocating genocide or otherwise using genocide as a topic of humour isn't 'dark humour'. It's at the best trying to be edgy, or at worst actively trying to desensitize others.

This fourth one even agrees NC was calling for violence against a community of people, but refers to it as a joke:

No, no, it's totally not like Jewish Nazis existed. By all accounts, NC clearly can't be a Nazi despite his explicit, unironic usage of Nazi rhetoric in regards to gassing his political opposition!

Sis, jokingly saying a subreddit should be gassed is not explicit, unironic Nazi propaganda. No need to fight over an offhand comment.

Even NGR (who NC directly quotes) points out that they're skeptical of NC's claim that it was "just a metaphor" and not a call for violence.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

And this appears to clarify NGR's opinion on the matter, in fact:

Yeah, this is the left-wing thread so it makes sense I'd need to walk on eggshells around here.

If you think "not joking about a generally offensive topic normally only related to murder" is walking on eggshells, it's probably a safe bet to put some of the eggshells in your shoes just in case.

Even further still, NC admits that he was calling for a community to be gassed (note that him treating it like a metaphor only came after some people began referring to his original post as a joke):

"I was only metaphorically talking about gassing an entire community of people! It's pretty clear that I meant their community should be banned, you triggered cuck!"

Well, I didn't call you a triggered cuck but the rest is true.

And, apparently, NC doesn't even know what their own post was actually meant to be, considering they've ping-ponged between calling it a "metaphor" and a "joke", again several pages after outright defending their original statement rather than immediately "clarifying" which, y'know, isn't what somebody would do if their intentions were clear and obvious from the start:

As we all know, writing out, "[this community (in this case, Chapo)] needs to be fumigated (a literal synonym for gassed) tbh," with no hint of irony, no prompting, and no previous context segueing into it is totally a joke.

Kind of, yeah.

So, basically, I don't see what NC's saying as anything genuine here.

Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken, of course, I'd like to point out that this user (under the account Yusseria) has been banned for similar behavior before, where he similarly attempted to play off his rhetoric as something completely different well after the fact.

[Nova Cyberia]

For instance, a good couple of these come from posts made by people NC's falsely claiming saw his calls for gassing people as a joke:

you make a clearly grotesque claim, then try and hide behind the "it's just a prank!" defence. pathetic.

Their opposition to your 'joke' was that you were lightly throwing around Nazi rhetoric, and your repeated use of said rhetoric (indicated by your posts here and your sig) indicate that you've got a bit in common with those skinheads wielding tiki torches.

Advocating genocide or otherwise using genocide as a topic of humour isn't 'dark humour'. It's at the best trying to be edgy, or at worst actively trying to desensitize others.

This fourth one even agrees NC was calling for violence against a community of people, but refers to it as a joke:

Sis, jokingly saying a subreddit should be gassed is not explicit, unironic Nazi propaganda. No need to fight over an offhand comment.

Even NGR (who NC directly quotes) points out that they're skeptical of NC's claim that it was "just a metaphor" and not a call for violence.

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

And this appears to clarify NGR's opinion on the matter, in fact:

If you think "not joking about a generally offensive topic normally only related to murder" is walking on eggshells, it's probably a safe bet to put some of the eggshells in your shoes just in case.

Even further still, NC admits that he was calling for a community to be gassed (note that him treating it like a metaphor only came after some people began referring to his original post as a joke):

Well, I didn't call you a triggered cuck but the rest is true.

I didn't admit anything. You quite clearly misread that post. You were mocking my claims. In fact, you said:

"I was only metaphorically talking about gassing an entire community."

That was what I was saying was true.

And, apparently, NC doesn't even know what their own post was actually meant to be, considering they've ping-ponged between calling it a "metaphor" and a "joke", again several pages after outright defending their original statement rather than immediately "clarifying" which, y'know, isn't what somebody would do if their intentions were clear and obvious from the start:

Kind of, yeah.

So, basically, I don't see what NC's saying as anything genuine here.

Jokes can be metaphors, fam.

Get over your obsession with me. I didn't ask to live rent-free inside your head.

[Jakker]

Edit: Addressed viewtopic.php?p=35847337#p35847337 I will unlock the thread in a bit.

Nova Cyberia and Torrocca, you two have a habit of going at it with each other. While it doesn't seem like you all will take our advice of ignoring each other, it is probably for the best to start rethinking this back and forth you two have because it seems to regularly get escalated and lead to issues.

[Torrocca]

Well, I truly don't see how advocating for a community of people to be gassed to death - dubiously "jokingly" or not - only garners an unofficial warning while calling somebody a Nazi for that earns an official warning. But thanks for looking into this, I suppose.