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by Jakker » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:47 am
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by The United Royal Islands of Euramathania » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:53 am
Cormactopia II wrote:Tentatively withdrawing my support for this particular proposal and voting against it, based on the apparent falsification of that screen shot. If Consular can produce some explanation for this that isn't falsification, then I'll support the proposal again, but I'm struggling to see any other possible explanation.
I still support condemnation of The LKE in principle, but falsifying evidence is not okay. Hopefully someone else will draft a more accurate condemnation.
by Consular » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:50 pm
by Ayeinc » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:58 pm
by Borovan entered the region as he » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:03 pm
Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
by Catsfern » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:20 pm
Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
by Catsfern » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:21 pm
Ayeinc wrote:Hello World! I am wondering how the votes for this resolution flipped in a matter of hours? Since this is the forum for this resolution, I am hoping to get some answers. I have read the resolution and noticed some key points and flaws. I am new to NationStates and have not heard of any of these crimes committed. I just voted FOR because the rest of my region and WA Delegate did. Thank you.
by Ayeinc » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:27 pm
Catsfern wrote:Ayeinc wrote:Hello World! I am wondering how the votes for this resolution flipped in a matter of hours? Since this is the forum for this resolution, I am hoping to get some answers. I have read the resolution and noticed some key points and flaws. I am new to NationStates and have not heard of any of these crimes committed. I just voted FOR because the rest of my region and WA Delegate did. Thank you.
Pretty much vote flipped because some of the evidence was faked and when that fact came out the resolution lost support REALLY quick.
by Catsfern » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:34 pm
by Eumaeus » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:35 pm
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by Connetikit » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:38 pm
by Tonalare » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:46 pm
Fulford wrote:Tonalare wrote:I am disappointed at the language that made it's way into the resolution and could have easily been swayed by LKE's response and believed that this was little more than a personal vendetta. However given the extensive examples given and after much research, I believe the veracity of the claims in the resolution. Despite my initial objections over the motive of the condemnation, I agree with Consular's resolution.
Votes in favor
This. I agree with this. Sure the language in the resolution seemed unprofessional. I can't help but agree with Consular's resolution.
by Novian Republics » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:08 pm
Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
Ayeinc wrote:I see. What evidence was that?
by Connetikit » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:11 pm
Novian Republics wrote:Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
Well, this is an great example of what can happen when one only read into issues at surface level and/or let one's emotions get the better of oneself. One risks getting manipulated like sheeple. Then again, reading into issues in depth while attempting to be dispassionate about it requires so much time and effort that it's no wonder people don't bother. Hell, arguably took the easy way myself by just assuming that both sides are lying or are at fault to some extent. (Although that's a conclusion I reached after reading through the whole thread and resolution, which is of course arguably still surface level.)
All things considered, even though it may have gotten heated at times, and that this may not have been the desired outcome for many, at least it has been an illuminating and educational experience.Ayeinc wrote:I see. What evidence was that?
Since people have already answered your question (albeit by kind of redirecting you), I'll just add this: If you want a more complete picture of this whole ordeal, I suggest you read through the whole thread from beginning to end and take everything with a pinch of salt.
by Consular » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:10 pm
by Aexnidaral » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:17 pm
Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
by Jocospor » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:26 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:49 pm
Engagement of recruitment practices that are considered against inter-regional expectations, and subsequently blaming these actions on a scapegoated individual when ultimately caught and punished.
Consular wrote:However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Grenhold » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:53 pm
Consular wrote:Should add -- I'm not saying this was my plan all along or anything like that. I'm not that machiavellian.
by Catsfern » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:55 pm
Consular wrote:Should add -- I'm not saying this was my plan all along or anything like that. I'm not that machiavellian. It would have been great if this passed. But frankly I thought that was always fairly unlikely -- and I wanted to push the limits of what we could get away with. Pushed too hard. GG gents. I hope this was an interesting drama for everyone involved and the spectators.
by King HEM » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:05 pm
Consular wrote:Sadly I have a lot of work to do today so don't have the time to campaign any further on this. (I'm not actually sad, it was getting old anyway)
I gave Osiris an explanation but basically the screengrab isn't legitimate, I didn't verify it, and regardless of culpability, I have to take ownership of that.
However. To those who supported the proposal while it contained clause 12, but then withdrew support based on one questionable screengrab. You need to do some introspection on what the moral high ground means to you. Because clause 12 was way more of a reach.
Honestly I'm kind of relieved this is now failing.
Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
by Anagonia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:29 pm
by Wallenburg » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:35 pm
Anagonia wrote:promptly put up to vote a proper condemnation of the Consularian nation for its heinous acts against this World Assembly.
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:28 pm
Consular wrote:Thanks for participating in this experiment everyone. This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.
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