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by Liriena » Fri May 24, 2019 9:55 pm
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Liriena » Fri May 24, 2019 9:56 pm
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Blargoblarg » Fri May 24, 2019 10:41 pm
by Telconi » Sat May 25, 2019 2:31 am
Blargoblarg wrote:
The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
by Tarsonis » Sat May 25, 2019 5:44 am
Blargoblarg wrote:
The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
by Duhon » Sat May 25, 2019 5:47 am
Tarsonis wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me
by Marxist Germany » Sat May 25, 2019 5:50 am
by Shrillland » Sat May 25, 2019 5:53 am
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 10:17 am
Sybil and the Sybillettes wrote:South Odreria wrote:
If we don't need fake news, why are you putting it into this thread?
Literally what. 1: 538 shows that two of the last three Iowa polls show Biden and Sanders tied. Yes they are all rated "C" on 538, but the last one rated above that was a month and a half ago.
I guess Wisconsin, Texas, Iowa, and Florida aren't states anymore. Yes this is a GOP poll but it's rated B on 538 which is your chosen metric.
I don't put up articles about C rated polls with links that don't link to what is written. You did. Why not fix it? Can you provide a link to that poll instead of all this subterfuge?
by Ngelmish » Sat May 25, 2019 10:20 am
Tarsonis wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me
by Tarsonis » Sat May 25, 2019 10:25 am
by Ngelmish » Sat May 25, 2019 10:46 am
by Valrifell » Sat May 25, 2019 1:51 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
"Corporate Media"
You sure sound like Trump supporters.
by Telconi » Sat May 25, 2019 2:00 pm
Valrifell wrote:
The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.
Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 4:03 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.
"Corporate Media"
You sure sound like Trump supporters.
by Sybil and the Sybillettes » Sat May 25, 2019 4:16 pm
South Odreria wrote:Sybil and the Sybillettes wrote:
I don't put up articles about C rated polls with links that don't link to what is written. You did. Why not fix it? Can you provide a link to that poll instead of all this subterfuge?
I see it is impossible for you to go to fivethirtyeight.com
Just because you disagree with a poll doesn't make it wrong.
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 5:44 pm
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 6:01 pm
Valrifell wrote:
The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.
Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?
by Valrifell » Sat May 25, 2019 6:06 pm
South Odreria wrote:Valrifell wrote:
The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.
Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?
Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 6:10 pm
Valrifell wrote:South Odreria wrote:
Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."
I was speaking more broadly than that, but yes a press media that is independent of government is a core and basic tenant of the United States. That it is corporate is undeniable, to say it has a concerted effort and unified agenda is laughable, they have no idea what they're doing and it shows. Otherwise they would've used their magical influence and not let Trump get elected, since he so regularly shittalks them.
by Cannot think of a name » Sat May 25, 2019 8:05 pm
Valrifell wrote:South Odreria wrote:
Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."
I was speaking more broadly than that, but yes a press media that is independent of government is a core and basic tenant of the United States. That it is corporate is undeniable, to say it has a concerted effort and unified agenda is laughable, they have no idea what they're doing and it shows. Otherwise they would've used their magical influence and not let Trump get elected, since he so regularly shittalks them.
by South Odreria » Sat May 25, 2019 9:30 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:South Odreria wrote:
Corporate dominated and government dominated are not the only two options. Also, neither Blargoblarg nor I claimed that the corporate media has "a concerted effort and unified agenda," and earlier I specifically said that they didn't.
But you Demonize them the same way Trump and his supporters do. That's dangerous and alienates moderates or progressives who hate such hostility and a simpleminded view of "they criticize us only because they want us to lose", pitting you against them in a fictional scenario. The world isn't that simply, viewing it that way is dangerous, it led to Trump, it worries me for the future of the country and of future violence, it alienated me from the Bernie Community largely.
by Shrillland » Sun May 26, 2019 12:50 am
Eternal Lotharia wrote:This is why I'm an interventionist, and why non-interventionism serves oppressors and the evil,, while also threatening America and is technically treason in such a loose way that I would rather use it not as an attack or justification or disloyalty or anything like that, but more of a warning that it is extremely dangerous. This is why I'm very interventionist, it is not a choice, we have a moral, national,, and strategic obligation to.[/url]
That's why Trump, Bernie, Gabbard, and Gravel are horrible for the USA, and why the Cold War was justified, not by ideological terms. And why Putin and Assad and Venezuela are major threats to our existence.
EDIT: If Russia and them were a lot more Democratic and Social Democracies ala Scandinavia style I'd be less worried, but it is still our obligation as an independent country with allies and strategic partners and for our long-term survival, else it'd be too late.
by Zurkerx » Sun May 26, 2019 6:13 pm
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