so they are bad for telling the truth?
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by Dee Alleng » Sat May 18, 2019 10:44 am
by Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:47 am
by Aureumterra » Sat May 18, 2019 10:50 am
by Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:51 am
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 10:53 am
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 10:54 am
Tornado Queendom wrote:Jack Thomas Lang wrote:From Al Jazeera
So, the German parliament has condemned the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement as anti-semitic. I'm not aware that this will have any repercussion beyond symbolism, but nonetheless raises the question whether BDS is really anti-semitic as portrayed by the conservatives, social democrats, greens and free democrats. I'm ambivalent, I think that some of its language is too extreme and borders anti-semitic sentiment but I'm not convinced this was necessary. But what do you think of this turn of events?
Was the German Parliament right? What is anti-semitism, and does BDS actually qualify?
The only thing this condemnation will destroy is the German Parliament's chances of getting Merkel into the EU parliament, which have already been slimmed to the size of a straw. Also, it'll only give MORE reasons for authoritarians to blame the Jewish race. If you don't want their opinions to be supported, let them speak, and pray that their opinions get laughed at. Censoring Neo-Nazis will only lead to MORE Neo-Nazis in the long run.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 18, 2019 10:56 am
Thermodolia wrote:Tornado Queendom wrote:The only thing this condemnation will destroy is the German Parliament's chances of getting Merkel into the EU parliament, which have already been slimmed to the size of a straw. Also, it'll only give MORE reasons for authoritarians to blame the Jewish race. If you don't want their opinions to be supported, let them speak, and pray that their opinions get laughed at. Censoring Neo-Nazis will only lead to MORE Neo-Nazis in the long run.
No, censoring Neo-Nazis will not create more Neo-Nazis
by Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 11:01 am
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Brilliant. Apparently, criticizing the Apartheid-esque policy of colonizing Palestinian lands without their consent and their routine suppression of autonomy and racial equality somehow equals wanting all Jews to be massacred or that they "killed Christ". At this rate, even criticizing the American government or president abroad will get you labelled as an "Anti-American swine" and will send the CIA to assassinate you. But hey, neoliberals gotta work together, amirite?
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:03 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 18, 2019 11:07 am
Thermodolia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Strongly disagree on this one. The fact that across the entire western world there's pushback against even speaking ill of Israel kinda fuels that whole Jewish conspiracy thing.
Saying you can’t speak ill of Israel isn’t censoring Neo-Nazis though. It’s just dumb.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am
United Massachusetts wrote:Yes, BDS is anti-Semitic in that it denies that Jews have the right to self-determination. That's anti-Semitism, per the Working Definition that the European Council and State Department agree on.
https://european-forum-on-antisemitism. ... sh-english
by Minachia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Saying you can’t speak ill of Israel isn’t censoring Neo-Nazis though. It’s just dumb.
It's censoring not only neo-Nazis but it's censoring literally everyone critical of Israel or Jews. It becomes quite a bit easier to start thinking anti-Semitic tropes might be true when talking bad about AIPAC gets you destroyed by both sides of the aisle or when it becomes illegal to boycott a regime you disagree with etc etc.
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Saying you can’t speak ill of Israel isn’t censoring Neo-Nazis though. It’s just dumb.
It's censoring not only neo-Nazis but it's censoring literally everyone critical of Israel or Jews. It becomes quite a bit easier to start thinking anti-Semitic tropes might be true when talking bad about AIPAC gets you destroyed by both sides of the aisle or when it becomes illegal to boycott a regime you disagree with simply because it's Jewish etc etc.
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:15 am
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's censoring not only neo-Nazis but it's censoring literally everyone critical of Israel or Jews. It becomes quite a bit easier to start thinking anti-Semitic tropes might be true when talking bad about AIPAC gets you destroyed by both sides of the aisle or when it becomes illegal to boycott a regime you disagree with etc etc.
Not to mention that laws designed with the purpose of banning supporting BDS through donations or public speech are a direct violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which clearly states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And government-sanctioned prosecution of anyone that dares criticizing the Netanyahu regime in Israel is the textbook definition of a "abridgement of speech", hence it is unconstitutional.
by Crockerland » Sat May 18, 2019 11:16 am
Thermodolia wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Not to mention that laws designed with the purpose of banning supporting BDS through donations or public speech are a direct violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which clearly states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And government-sanctioned prosecution of anyone that dares criticizing the Netanyahu regime in Israel is the textbook definition of a "abridgement of speech", hence it is unconstitutional.
Interestingly the US constitution doesn’t apply to Germany
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:19 am
Thermodolia wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Not to mention that laws designed with the purpose of banning supporting BDS through donations or public speech are a direct violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which clearly states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And government-sanctioned prosecution of anyone that dares criticizing the Netanyahu regime in Israel is the textbook definition of a "abridgement of speech", hence it is unconstitutional.
Interestingly the US constitution doesn’t apply to Germany
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 am
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:23 am
Thermodolia wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Not to mention that laws designed with the purpose of banning supporting BDS through donations or public speech are a direct violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which clearly states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And government-sanctioned prosecution of anyone that dares criticizing the Netanyahu regime in Israel is the textbook definition of a "abridgement of speech", hence it is unconstitutional.
Interestingly the US constitution doesn’t apply to Germany
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:24 am
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Corindia wrote:it's not even that subtle
Interesting. Mind linking to a specific passage within the BDS' manifesto that specifically fits this definition? Here it goes:
"hostility to or prejudice against Jews."
Because by your misguided logic, opposing the policies of the Government of Pakistan is somehow wanting to kill all muslims because said country is majority Islamic and was created originally as a state for Muslims.
by Thermodolia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:25 am
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Interestingly the US constitution doesn’t apply to Germany
Section 1 of Article 5 of the Grundgesetz (Basic law) of Germany states:
"(1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures, and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship."
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:28 am
Thermodolia wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Interesting. Mind linking to a specific passage within the BDS' manifesto that specifically fits this definition? Here it goes:
"hostility to or prejudice against Jews."
Because by your misguided logic, opposing the policies of the Government of Pakistan is somehow wanting to kill all muslims because said country is majority Islamic and was created originally as a state for Muslims.
There are some within the BDS movement who are anti-Semitic, however there are also anti-Semites who support Israel. And last time I checked both groups are small but loud
by Liberal Thermidorian Reaction » Sat May 18, 2019 11:51 am
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