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by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:04 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:05 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:09 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:10 pm
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:11 pm
by Salus Maior » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:11 pm
by Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:12 pm
Byzconia wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I fail to see how one white nationalist poster on this forum indicates that "hating Nazis is a controversial opinion". I hate them, and I've faced no mainstream opposition.
Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:12 pm
by First American Empire » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:14 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:14 pm
Crysuko wrote:Byzconia wrote:Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.
alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:15 pm
Crysuko wrote:Byzconia wrote:Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.
alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:18 pm
Byzconia wrote:Crysuko wrote:alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:19 pm
Byzconia wrote:Crysuko wrote:alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:20 pm
Torrocca wrote:Crysuko wrote:alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
Alter-alternatively, we do need some more allies, so we should try to keep the violence to self-defense and otherwise do shit that's popular with the "I fucking destroyed Trump on Twitter!" crowd of Liberals, like egging and shit.
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:21 pm
Byzconia wrote:Crysuko wrote:alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think
I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:21 pm
Byzconia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Alter-alternatively, we do need some more allies, so we should try to keep the violence to self-defense and otherwise do shit that's popular with the "I fucking destroyed Trump on Twitter!" crowd of Liberals, like egging and shit.
To my knowledge, we've been pretty fucking defensive, considering that "left-wing extremists" account for about 3% of terrorist attacks in the US, according to the SPLC. The real issue is that we'll always be the aggressors, until we're literally blindfolded on our knees waiting to get shot in the heads. As I mentioned in a previous post, "centrists/moderates" are far more terrified of socialists than fascists, regardless of any actions we take.
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:21 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Byzconia wrote:I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
Not defended, just permitted.
by Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:22 pm
Torrocca wrote:Byzconia wrote:I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
It is pretty incredibly fucked up, not gonna lie.
We shouldn't have to fucking pander to them to get support against fucking genocide, but that's where we're stuck at. It sucks.
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:24 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It is pretty incredibly fucked up, not gonna lie.
We shouldn't have to fucking pander to them to get support against fucking genocide, but that's where we're stuck at. It sucks.
Most people support against genocide (though recognizing something as a genocide can be its own separate battle: the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, and the Haitian Revolution's genocide are examples of ones often met with "uhhh no actually it was a mass slaughter, not a genocide, there's a difference sweaty"))
Pushing for censorship is much more uphill a battle, even though unsavory things being said makes it a little easier to swallow.
by Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 pm
Torrocca wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Most people support against genocide (though recognizing something as a genocide can be its own separate battle: the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, and the Haitian Revolution's genocide are examples of ones often met with "uhhh no actually it was a mass slaughter, not a genocide, there's a difference sweaty"))
You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.
Pushing for censorship is much more uphill a battle, even though unsavory things being said makes it a little easier to swallow.
TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 pm
Torrocca wrote:Byzconia wrote:To my knowledge, we've been pretty fucking defensive, considering that "left-wing extremists" account for about 3% of terrorist attacks in the US, according to the SPLC. The real issue is that we'll always be the aggressors, until we're literally blindfolded on our knees waiting to get shot in the heads. As I mentioned in a previous post, "centrists/moderates" are far more terrified of socialists than fascists, regardless of any actions we take.
Yeah, that's entirely true, too. It's a fucking annoyance, tbh, because no matter what we do really, we're always "worse" or "as bad" as literal fucking Nazis.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:27 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Byzconia wrote:I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).
Not defended, just permitted.
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:29 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:30 pm
TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.
Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.
Byzconia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Yeah, that's entirely true, too. It's a fucking annoyance, tbh, because no matter what we do really, we're always "worse" or "as bad" as literal fucking Nazis.
Scapegoating is an effective political tool. Many far-right regimes have justified anti-democratic policies by claiming that it's "necessary" in order to "protect the people from socialism/Communism." Hell, Hitler literally said that his seizure of absolute power was necessary to protect the German people from being enslaved by "Jewish Bolshevism" (nevermind the Nazi government then proceeded to essentially enslave its own populations via its anti-labor policies--and then literally enslaved people). It's basically the entire point of Martin Niemoller's famous poem.
by Byzconia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:31 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.
That's why I mentioned it fam. Your past mistakes shall ever haunt you.
TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.
Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.
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