LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I double down.

These are fighting words.

On a forum, that means very little.

[Torrocca]

These are fighting words.

On a forum, that means very little.

Meet me at high noon.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

On a forum, that means very little.

Meet me at high noon.

If this edges closer to 500, I'll think about it.

[Torrocca]

Meet me at high noon.

If this edges closer to 500, I'll think about it.

Good. We'll fight it out with water pistols. :3

[Byzconia]

Now now, CM, hating Nazis is a controversial opinion in the year 2019.

I fail to see how one white nationalist poster on this forum indicates that "hating Nazis is a controversial opinion". I hate them, and I've faced no mainstream opposition.

Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.

[Salus Maior]

Aren't there like Socialist Gun Owners Associations you guys could probably join in your area?

not in the UK there isn't

That might put a damper on the whole revolution thing.

[Crysuko]

I fail to see how one white nationalist poster on this forum indicates that "hating Nazis is a controversial opinion". I hate them, and I've faced no mainstream opposition.

Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

[Byzconia]

not in the UK there isn't

That might put a damper on the whole revolution thing.

They learned their lesson with the Americans.

[First American Empire]

lol fuck no

Yes! Brexit and the right winning in the Netherlands is only the beginning. The dawn of a right wing sweep and new order across Europe and the wider western world is coming and soon!

Thousands of right-wing voters die of old age every day, and thousands of leftists become old enough replace them. What you see as the beginning of a new order is in fact the death throes of the old one.

[Torrocca]

Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

Alter-alternatively, we do need some more allies, so we should try to keep the violence to self-defense and otherwise do shit that's popular with the "I fucking destroyed Trump on Twitter!" crowd of Liberals, like egging and shit.

[Byzconia]

Pretty sure they were speaking more generally rather than in regards to this thread. It's a reference to the rise of "civility culture" in politics where lefties get admonished for our "lack of civility" for saying that all Nazis should go fuck themselves.

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

Not defended, just permitted.

[Torrocca]

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

It is pretty incredibly fucked up, not gonna lie.

We shouldn't have to fucking pander to them to get support against fucking genocide, but that's where we're stuck at. It sucks.

[Byzconia]

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

Alter-alternatively, we do need some more allies, so we should try to keep the violence to self-defense and otherwise do shit that's popular with the "I fucking destroyed Trump on Twitter!" crowd of Liberals, like egging and shit.

To my knowledge, we've been pretty fucking defensive, considering that "left-wing extremists" account for about 3% of terrorist attacks in the US, according to the SPLC. The real issue is that we'll always be the aggressors, until we're literally blindfolded on our knees waiting to get shot in the heads. As I mentioned in a previous post, "centrists/moderates" are far more terrified of socialists than fascists, regardless of any actions we take.

[Pasong Tirad]

alternatively, you can just go and crump some neo-nazis and not care waht those ivory tower idiots think

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

fReE mArKeTpLaCe oF iDeAs

[Torrocca]

Alter-alternatively, we do need some more allies, so we should try to keep the violence to self-defense and otherwise do shit that's popular with the "I fucking destroyed Trump on Twitter!" crowd of Liberals, like egging and shit.

To my knowledge, we've been pretty fucking defensive, considering that "left-wing extremists" account for about 3% of terrorist attacks in the US, according to the SPLC. The real issue is that we'll always be the aggressors, until we're literally blindfolded on our knees waiting to get shot in the heads. As I mentioned in a previous post, "centrists/moderates" are far more terrified of socialists than fascists, regardless of any actions we take.

Yeah, that's entirely true, too. It's a fucking annoyance, tbh, because no matter what we do really, we're always "worse" or "as bad" as literal fucking Nazis.

[Byzconia]

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

Not defended, just permitted.

Distinction without a difference.

[Proctopeo]

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

It is pretty incredibly fucked up, not gonna lie.

We shouldn't have to fucking pander to them to get support against fucking genocide, but that's where we're stuck at. It sucks.

Most people support against genocide (though recognizing something as a genocide can be its own separate battle: the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, and the Haitian Revolution's genocide are examples of ones often met with "uhhh no actually it was a mass slaughter, not a genocide, there's a difference sweaty"))
Pushing for censorship is much more uphill a battle, even though unsavory things being said makes it a little easier to swallow.

Not defended, just permitted.

Distinction without a difference.

There's a very evident difference. You just refuse to see it.

[Torrocca]

It is pretty incredibly fucked up, not gonna lie.

We shouldn't have to fucking pander to them to get support against fucking genocide, but that's where we're stuck at. It sucks.

Most people support against genocide (though recognizing something as a genocide can be its own separate battle: the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, and the Haitian Revolution's genocide are examples of ones often met with "uhhh no actually it was a mass slaughter, not a genocide, there's a difference sweaty"))

You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.

Pushing for censorship is much more uphill a battle, even though unsavory things being said makes it a little easier to swallow.

TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.

[Proctopeo]

Most people support against genocide (though recognizing something as a genocide can be its own separate battle: the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, and the Haitian Revolution's genocide are examples of ones often met with "uhhh no actually it was a mass slaughter, not a genocide, there's a difference sweaty"))

You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.

That's why I mentioned it fam. Your past mistakes shall ever haunt you.

Pushing for censorship is much more uphill a battle, even though unsavory things being said makes it a little easier to swallow.

TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.

Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.

[Byzconia]

To my knowledge, we've been pretty fucking defensive, considering that "left-wing extremists" account for about 3% of terrorist attacks in the US, according to the SPLC. The real issue is that we'll always be the aggressors, until we're literally blindfolded on our knees waiting to get shot in the heads. As I mentioned in a previous post, "centrists/moderates" are far more terrified of socialists than fascists, regardless of any actions we take.

Yeah, that's entirely true, too. It's a fucking annoyance, tbh, because no matter what we do really, we're always "worse" or "as bad" as literal fucking Nazis.

Scapegoating is an effective political tool. Many far-right regimes have justified anti-democratic policies by claiming that it's "necessary" in order to "protect the people from socialism/Communism." Hell, Hitler literally said that his seizure of absolute power was necessary to protect the German people from being enslaved by "Jewish Bolshevism" (nevermind the Nazi government then proceeded to essentially enslave its own populations via its anti-labor policies--and then literally enslaved people). It's basically the entire point of Martin Niemoller's famous poem.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I mean, it's pretty fucking terrifying that many "centrists" and "liberals" nowadays have decided that advocating for genocide/ethnic cleansing/segregation is something that deserves to be defended as long as it's done "politely" (though, funny how many of those same "centrists/liberals" tend to be middle class white people who are at zero risk themselves--but I'm sure that's totally a coincidence).

Not defended, just permitted.

This ^^

[Byzconia]

Not defended, just permitted.

Distinction without a difference.

There's a very evident difference. You just refuse to see it.[/quote]
"Everyone who disagrees with me just refuses to see the obvious objective reality!"

But I'll bite, what's the "evident difference."

[Torrocca]

You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.

That's why I mentioned it fam. Your past mistakes shall ever haunt you.

Please stop.

TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.

Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.

I'm pretty certain that censoring Nazism is a thing most leftists can comfortably agree on.

Yeah, that's entirely true, too. It's a fucking annoyance, tbh, because no matter what we do really, we're always "worse" or "as bad" as literal fucking Nazis.

Scapegoating is an effective political tool. Many far-right regimes have justified anti-democratic policies by claiming that it's "necessary" in order to "protect the people from socialism/Communism." Hell, Hitler literally said that his seizure of absolute power was necessary to protect the German people from being enslaved by "Jewish Bolshevism" (nevermind the Nazi government then proceeded to essentially enslave its own populations via its anti-labor policies--and then literally enslaved people). It's basically the entire point of Martin Niemoller's famous poem.

Yeah, and it's pretty fucking absurd since allowing that shit to fester unchecked is just gonna create some repetition of the past.

[Byzconia]

You can't hear it right now, but I'm screaming in utter anguish.

That's why I mentioned it fam. Your past mistakes shall ever haunt you.

TBF it really shouldn't be difficult to be in favor of censoring genocidal bullshittery like Nazism.

Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.

Given that plenty of Western democracies have implemented hate speech laws and have yet to descend into Stalinist repression, this borders on a slippery slope fallacy.