NSW Election Thread

[Australian rePublic]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/ ... d/10909658
https://www.smh.com.au/nsw-election-201 ... 514xw.html
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/michael-dal ... lection-ad
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national

I am surprised that nobody has created a thread the New South Wales election on Saturday. Well here it is.

It's quite likely that Labor will side with the hunters shooters and fishers, who will make the state's gun laws less strict. If this happens, Michael Daley, the opposition leader, has vowed to resign from politics. Gladys Berejiklian has also urged the Labor to avoid siding with the Hunters, Shooters and Fishers

https://www.smh.com.au/nsw-election-201 ... 51591.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... -in-Sydney

Michael Daley is also under fire for comments about Asians taking jobs from Sydneysiders. As an unemployed person, I find that this is somewhat true, perhaps not to the extent that Mr. Daley is claiming, but still somewhat true, none the less. Apparently, saying so is racist
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Anyways, let's talk about the election

So, yea, and an election is coming up. Voting is compulsory, unless you're too young.

I live in a safe seat, so my vote doesn't matter, but I'll vote none the less. Whilst I am generally a right-winger, I'll probably vote for Labor. (I'll give my preferences to right-winged minor parties). I really don't like Berejiklian nor her cabinet, and I also support Liberal at a federal level, and believe that the state works best when the ruling party is different to the federal ruling party. Of coarse, with regards to my vote, nothing is set in stone until my ballot is in the box, and my vote may very well change on election day.

I don't know how to vote with preferences, though. This is the second election where I am old enough to vote, and when I asked last time, I asked the people who worked there, and, they only told me to put a 1 above the line. I didn't even know you could vote with preferences.

I put One Nation in the poll, because they're significant enough with regards to media attention, and I also added Clive Palmer, because, well he exceeds Donald Trump in froot loopiness

Anyways, your thoughts on the election? Who are you voting for?

[Dresderstan]

We already have an Australian Election thread, you could post about the NSW election there.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=461598

[Woodfiredpizzas]

If I wanted to be complicit in the violence of the state and vote I would go liberal Democrats, labor, literally anyone and then a big toss up for the greens and LNP last.

[Australian rePublic]

We already have an Australian Election thread, you could post about the NSW election there.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=461598

Why can't we have our own thread? Especially since many Australians, you know, don't live in NSW...

[Australian rePublic]

If I wanted to be complicit in the violence of the state and vote I would go liberal Democrats, labor, literally anyone and then a big toss up for the greens and LNP last.

Greens are the worst...
I also like the Liberal Democrats, and the Christian Democrats

[Woodfiredpizzas]

If I wanted to be complicit in the violence of the state and vote I would go liberal Democrats, labor, literally anyone and then a big toss up for the greens and LNP last.

Greens are the worst...
I also like the Liberal Democrats, and the Christian Democrats

I dunno opposing pull testing and giving state assets to your mates and calling it privatisation May cause the LNP to edge out the greens for last spot.

[Greater Westralia]

I put the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party first, Nationals second and Liberals third in state elections. Really more so for WA, but I'd vote the same in NSW.

[Australian rePublic]

I put the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party first, Nationals second and Liberals third in state elections. Really more so for WA, but I'd vote the same in NSW.

Hello fellow right-winger

[Greater Westralia]

Hello fellow right-winger

Greetings easterner. Shame your Nationals are just minor Liberals. I mean, the Coalition is better than Labour but an independent National party keeps the Liberals on their toes.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Hello fellow right-winger

Greetings easterner. Shame your Nationals are just minor Liberals. I mean, the Coalition is better than Labour but an independent National party keeps the Liberals on their toes.

You know I’ve never even bothered to find out what the nationals are about. They’ve always seemed like the libs pet gimp.

[Greater Westralia]

You know I’ve never even bothered to find out what the nationals are about. They’ve always seemed like the libs pet gimp.

Depends on the state honestly. Nationals (or the Country Party as they were once known) are conservative agrarians. It means they usually support policies that help out farmers and herders. Because of that they tend to dominate the regions.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

You know I’ve never even bothered to find out what the nationals are about. They’ve always seemed like the libs pet gimp.

Depends on the state honestly. Nationals (or the Country Party as they were once known) are conservative agrarians. It means they usually support policies that help out farmers and herders. Because of that they tend to dominate the regions.

Right not my cup of tea then.

[Greater Westralia]

Right not my cup of tea then.

They wouldn't be unless you live in the regions or are involved in agriculture. What parties do you favour then?

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Right not my cup of tea then.

They wouldn't be unless you live in the regions or are involved in agriculture. What parties do you favour then?

Liberal Democrats are the only party I’m positive about, labor is my least objectionable party. LNP and greens are trash tier.

Yeah I’m more interested in moving from field agriculture to factory agriculture, vat grown meat high tech greenhouse arrangements. Field farming and the transport for it is too bad for the environment.

[Australian rePublic]

They wouldn't be unless you live in the regions or are involved in agriculture. What parties do you favour then?

Liberal Democrats are the only party I’m positive about, labor is my least objectionable party. LNP and greens are trash tier.

Yeah I’m more interested in moving from field agriculture to factory agriculture, vat grown meat high tech greenhouse arrangements. Field farming and the transport for it is too bad for the environment.

Factory farming is cruel. As for VAT grown **vommits**

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Liberal Democrats are the only party I’m positive about, labor is my least objectionable party. LNP and greens are trash tier.

Yeah I’m more interested in moving from field agriculture to factory agriculture, vat grown meat high tech greenhouse arrangements. Field farming and the transport for it is too bad for the environment.

Factory farming is cruel. As for VAT grown **vommits**

Totally used factory farming to mean something else. My bad. More a high tech “vat grown” and greenhouse solutions to farming. Harvesting animals is cruel. And is going to be phased out soon enough anyway. May as well use making vat grown super cheap and readily available to do it.

[Greater Westralia]

Totally used factory farming to mean something else. My bad. More a high tech “vat grown” and greenhouse solutions to farming. Harvesting animals is cruel. And is going to be phased out soon enough anyway. May as well use making vat grown super cheap and readily available to do it.

Sorry to break it to ya bud, but conventional agriculture isn't going to be phased out anytime soon. Even if we get the technology to make it affordable and market competitive (a challenge in and of itself), it'll be a long while before farming and pastoral agriculture is obsolete. Not to forget that there might not be any political will or popular support for factory agriculture and vat grown meat.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Totally used factory farming to mean something else. My bad. More a high tech “vat grown” and greenhouse solutions to farming. Harvesting animals is cruel. And is going to be phased out soon enough anyway. May as well use making vat grown super cheap and readily available to do it.

Sorry to break it to ya bud, but conventional agriculture isn't going to be phased out anytime soon. Even if we get the technology to make it affordable and market competitive (a challenge in and of itself), it'll be a long while before farming and pastoral agriculture is obsolete. Not to forget that there might not be any political will or popular support for factory agriculture and vat grown meat.

Except it is, I do a lot of fitness, gym and martial arts the search for alternative to animal products has a strong following among those protein heads. Then there’s the agricultural effort on climate change. Hell I provide meals to the staff when they go out on site and vegan options are sitting at 50% there.

There’s a sharply growing aversion to live meat because the alternatives are healthier, massively cleaner and less cruel options. I honestly can’t see it being possible on an economic level to live country in fifty years. Not when all food can be produced industrially in the city it’s needed in.

[Greater Westralia]

Except it is, I do a lot of fitness, gym and martial arts the search for alternative to animal products has a strong following among those protein heads. Then there’s the agricultural effort on climate change. Hell I provide meals to the staff when they go out on site and vegan options are sitting at 50% there.

There’s a sharply growing aversion to live meat because the alternatives are healthier, massively cleaner and less cruel options. I honestly can’t see it being possible on an economic level to live country in fifty years. Not when all food can be produced industrially in the city it’s needed in.

Anecdotes are not data. While the number of vegetarians will probably increase over time, I don't think they'll eclipse the number of growing meat eaters in Asia and particularly Africa as more people move from subsistence farming to a burgeoning middle class. Since Australian agriculture exports a lot of foodstuffs, I doubt the economic conditions for vat grown meat and factory farms will occur any time soon, especially since we haven't really reached the tech yet.

However, that isn't to say that we won't have a farming "Technological Revolution". We probably will, but these kind of revolutions take time. Until then, conventional agriculture in WA is only growing.

[Shrillland]

Well, as I said in the other thread when I discussed the NSW elections, Greens 1st, Labor 2nd, and Reason 3rd. Berejiklian's war on drugs has become a crusade against culture with music festivals closing left and right. NSW's getting a bad reputation on the national stage because of it.

As for Labor, I doubt Daley's going to relax NSW's gun laws now that the whole affair across the sea is reinforcing the idea of strong gun control laws.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Except it is, I do a lot of fitness, gym and martial arts the search for alternative to animal products has a strong following among those protein heads. Then there’s the agricultural effort on climate change. Hell I provide meals to the staff when they go out on site and vegan options are sitting at 50% there.

There’s a sharply growing aversion to live meat because the alternatives are healthier, massively cleaner and less cruel options. I honestly can’t see it being possible on an economic level to live country in fifty years. Not when all food can be produced industrially in the city it’s needed in.

Anecdotes are not data. While the number of vegetarians will probably increase over time, I don't think they'll eclipse the number of growing meat eaters in Asia and particularly Africa as more people move from subsistence farming to a burgeoning middle class. Since Australian agriculture exports a lot of foodstuffs, I doubt the economic conditions for vat grown meat and factory farms will occur any time soon, especially since we haven't really reached the tech yet.

However, that isn't to say that we won't have a farming "Technological Revolution". We probably will, but these kind of revolutions take time. Until then, conventional agriculture in WA is only growing.

You’re missing the point that non of those people are going to be able to afford animal meat environmentally. And with the action required for climate change governments are going to be looking at less than a decade transition from farm to vat grown meat.

[Greater Westralia]

You’re missing the point that non of those people are going to be able to afford animal meat environmentally. And with the action required for climate change governments are going to be looking at less than a decade transition from farm to vat grown meat.

I don't think that'll stop them.

Can you prove that though? All current evidence suggests that conventional agriculture will only grow as the population and desire for imported foodstuffs increases. I'm confident in saying that we won't be seeing a radical shit to factory farming, instead we'll see the trends common to manufacturing. Wider use of technology to increase yields and replace Human labor. Things like the soil bank, which will allow farmers to use stored nutrients from past applications of fertilisers. And so on. There's still a lot of room for technological and ecological advancements in conventional agriculture, stuff that is being researched.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

You’re missing the point that non of those people are going to be able to afford animal meat environmentally. And with the action required for climate change governments are going to be looking at less than a decade transition from farm to vat grown meat.

I don't think that'll stop them.

Can you prove that though? All current evidence suggests that conventional agriculture will only grow as the population and desire for imported foodstuffs increases. I'm confident in saying that we won't be seeing a radical shit to factory farming, instead we'll see the trends common to manufacturing. Wider use of technology to increase yields and replace Human labor. Things like the soil bank, which will allow farmers to use stored nutrients from past applications of fertilisers. And so on. There's still a lot of room for technological and ecological advancements in conventional agriculture, stuff that is being researched.

I really don’t think they will have much choice.

See I’m thinking just the environmental transport costs of farming food is going to make it unavailable for use. Let alone the land use can be put to better use. And conventional agriculture just isn’t going to get its footprint down to industrial agricultural levels.

[Greater Westralia]

I really don’t think they will have much choice.

See I’m thinking just the environmental transport costs of farming food is going to make it unavailable for use. Let alone the land use can be put to better use. And conventional agriculture just isn’t going to get its footprint down to industrial agricultural levels.

Agree to disagree then.

I don't think your opinion is without merit, albeit its far too radical. The environmental cost usually takes a backseat to economic realities, and we're not at a stage where factory farms can even begin replacing conventional agriculture, which forms a vital part of our export. Its something that we need to research more, and a possible venue of growth in the future. For now, its just not feasible on the scale you're imagining.

[Australian rePublic]

I really don’t think they will have much choice.

See I’m thinking just the environmental transport costs of farming food is going to make it unavailable for use. Let alone the land use can be put to better use. And conventional agriculture just isn’t going to get its footprint down to industrial agricultural levels.

Agree to disagree then.

I don't think your opinion is without merit, albeit its far too radical. The environmental cost usually takes a backseat to economic realities, and we're not at a stage where factory farms can even begin replacing conventional agriculture, which forms a vital part of our export. Its something that we need to research more, and a possible venue of growth in the future. For now, its just not feasible on the scale you're imagining.

What exactly do you mean by factory farming if not keeping animals locked in tiny cages?