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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Yes
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Left-Authoritarianism
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:17 pm

Yusseria wrote:Does this make me a leftist whenever I share food with people?

Triggered leftist!! I kick homeless people and enjoy watching them starve. Only a commie would share especially with the poor who deserve a terrible life. I am a proud free marketer and stupid people who give stuff to others with no intent of monetary gain are stupid and should suffer! My great great uncle donated money to poor people in some African country nobody cared about and died from not being able to pay for treatment. I don’t know or care what disease it was or that I could have easily payed for it. Anyway, sharing is not caring and communists like you are evil. They will destroy humanity by being greedy hypocrites!
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:34 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Does this make me a leftist whenever I share food with people?

Triggered leftist!! I kick homeless people and enjoy watching them starve.


Throwback to younger me who literally wrote a businessman kicking the homeless back when I first joined the site about five years ago.

Looking back I was a really bad right-libertarian back then.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:Throwback to younger me who literally wrote a businessman kicking the homeless back when I first joined the site about five years ago.

Looking back I was a really bad right-libertarian back then.

Are Were you a businessman who kicks homeless people? Am I reading this completely wrong?
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:54 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Throwback to younger me who literally wrote a businessman kicking the homeless back when I first joined the site about five years ago.

Looking back I was a really bad right-libertarian back then.

Are you a businessman who kicks homeless people? Am I reading this completely wrong?


No, I was roleplaying a civil war within my nation and wrote one of the factions as being led by an ebul businessman who literally kicked a homeless man.

I think if you search my post history you should be able to find it. Plz no bulli, tho, I was 14.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:00 pm

Valrifell wrote:
No, I was roleplaying a civil war within my nation and wrote one of the factions as being led by an ebul businessman who literally kicked a homeless man.

I think if you search my post history you should be able to find it. Plz no bulli, tho, I was 14.

Did you think that was ok?
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: lol well not exactly
That's just a very obvious example of an irreconcilable conflict: me asking for money for no reason

Then I can just say "no." No need for violence.
well, both parties are certainly not satisfied with this arrangement
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:54 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:As a very basic structure I'm pretty sure you can find the scientific method as the framework of any field-unique scientific method. It's relatively basic, and it's not like you can analyse data before you acquire it.


Scientists do not talk about a single scientific method.

[citation needed]

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Valrifell wrote:I agree with that sentiment but I don't think it's as widespread or prevalent as you're presenting.


You don't think that what is that widespread or prevalent? That positivism is dying? Factually, that is true.

Factually, there is a teapot orbiting the sun.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:56 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
No, I was roleplaying a civil war within my nation and wrote one of the factions as being led by an ebul businessman who literally kicked a homeless man.

I think if you search my post history you should be able to find it. Plz no bulli, tho, I was 14.

Did you think that was ok?


Ok to write it or ok to do it?

Yes to the first (obviously; no now) and no to the latter.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:21 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Lol what a load of horseshit.

Science is using the scientific method, most academics don't do that, and you know it.


That is based on positivism, a dying philosophy of science. There is no such thing as the scientific method. Each field has its own scientific methods.

No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
That is based on positivism, a dying philosophy of science. There is no such thing as the scientific method. Each field has its own scientific methods.

No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.


Are you telling me you've never replicated the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with one of those home chemistry kits?

Smh, get with the times old man.
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The National Salvation Front for Russia
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:39 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Are you telling me you've never replicated the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with one of those home chemistry kits?

Smh, get with the times old man.

Just simulate the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with Rome Total War.

The future is now old man.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:40 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.


Are you telling me you've never replicated the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with one of those home chemistry kits?

Smh, get with the times old man.

Where did the time go?
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.


Are you telling me you've never replicated the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with one of those home chemistry kits?

Smh, get with the times old man.

Need to use a home-chemistry kit to grow all dem trees.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Are you telling me you've never replicated the Battle of Teutoburg Forest with one of those home chemistry kits?

Smh, get with the times old man.

Where did the time go?


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Postby Luminesa » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:44 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Where did the time go?


Image

NO.

THIS EPISODE MADE ME PHYSICALLY SAD.

STOP.

CEASE.

PLZ.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:36 pm

If we're talking "soft" science a la sociology and anthropology and what not, it's important simply to say that most of the subject matter cannot be studied in a lab setting. Nonetheless, we know it to be knowledge of some sort. In the absence of better methodologies for the fields, one has to take them and their results seriously.
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Image

NO.

THIS EPISODE MADE ME PHYSICALLY SAD.

STOP.

CEASE.

PLZ.

Eh, that dude was an asshole anyway. What type of person gets happy that billions of people died just because it gives him more time to read books?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:12 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.

History isn't a science, but matters like sociology, economics, etc, very much are. It's the distinction between natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:18 am

Kubra wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Then I can just say "no." No need for violence.
well, both parties are certainly not satisfied with this arrangement

Who said they had to be?
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:36 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: well, both parties are certainly not satisfied with this arrangement

Who said they had to be?

It is by then that violence might occur - you already went over this before.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:54 am

Duvniask wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who said they had to be?

It is by then that violence might occur - you already went over this before.

Very few cases of dissatisfaction result in violence.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:22 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Representative enough, Could be a lot better, but it does the job more often than not.


It's only representative in the sense that the competitors ritualistically invoke the name of the people. The entire industry is mass psychological manipulation. It sets false limits on the possible and extracts formulaic statements of consent on the misleading basis that the window of socioeconomic possibility offered by the candidates is all that there is.

It doesn't represent a natural consensus, it constantly works to create that consensus by systematically denigrating anything outside. As the game is inherently stacked in favour of the most powerful interest groups with the best propaganda machinery, the results cannot be meaningfully representative.


It bares more resemblance to the concept of "managing up the chain of command" than it does actual service of the people and their interests. The elites have been forced into offering us two superficially different choices for what they intended to do all along, with the only real impact of the transition meaning they can now successfully demonize any attempts to influence them outside of this choice, whether armed rebellion, protest, etc.

It has also meant the elites have abandoned any pretense of the nobles obligation and can blame the public for their own "Bad decisions" rather than accept systemic mismanagement and incompetence by the ruling class.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:13 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: well, both parties are certainly not satisfied with this arrangement

Who said they had to be?
we'll you're the one who said there's no conflict that cannot be reconciled. I assumed it involved compromise, else we may as well just call violence a form of reconciliation, which would be quite ridiculous.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:40 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
No, that's not what's happened at all, fields that want to have the public respectability of science masquerade as sciences. You cannot have a science where you cannot have the ability to replicate your results. That's why history and fields like it are not science.

History isn't a science, but matters like sociology, economics, etc, very much are. It's the distinction between natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities.

In some things they can replicate their results, but you can't really come up with a scientific explanation that covers all of society, and all human societies, because that isn't replicable.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:42 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:History isn't a science, but matters like sociology, economics, etc, very much are. It's the distinction between natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities.

In some things they can replicate their results, but you can't really come up with a scientific explanation that covers all of society, and all human societies, because that isn't replicable.


Well, not until we can engineer tiny humans.
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