Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

DoD could save a significant amount of money by ejecting the useless MBA consultants and the lobbyists and using the money to reestablish their own research institutes and labs. Right now a lot of the budget is going to waste in giant procurement battles that leads to nowhere (FCS) or produces 40 knots minesweepers like the LCS because the DoD is being bamboozled by lobbyists and "consultants" because DoD gave up the ability to factcheck these used car salesmen in the 90's.
Hell will freeze over before this happens though because the rot has even reached the department head who's an ex-Boeing executive.

[Communal concils]

1.Militray spending is still more than it should be. it is a small percent of the economy, American spends more than nearly all other countries in the world.The Nation has so many military bases, and troops are stationed across the globe.

2.we do have enough money to improve the economy, but the mismanagement should show how ineffective the republic is.


3.The Neo-Conservative always used the excuse of "Isolationism" to justify the wars for corporate interest.How many times must the country support coups, and why is it show important to spread Liberalism globally? Isn't it better to forcus on your own homeland, wouldn't it be better to just examine thing in a better way?Being Careful isn't even enough, scaling back in involvement is the best option to avoide failure in history.

We spend the most total because our economy is so huge. We do not spend the biggest amount by percentage of GDP at all. Obviously a very big economy can and will spend more than a much smaller one.

Sure we have issues but that is not because we are a republic.
And we are still doing better than most countries.

Anyways supporting coups is cheap. It is occupations that are expensive.
Most our government spending goes to domestic concerns anyways.
Sure you should focus on your homeland, but not ignore everything outside it.
Because the problems that start outside it come to you.

I am okay with limiting our involvement in many cases.
But not against all involvement.

The decision has to be made on a case by case bias.

1.Though, large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.


2.America is not failing because of it's Republicanism, but because of it's Capitalism. Higher and Upper middles class have a privilege that many Americans do not have. We shouldn't be so cocky with our place in the world.

3.Their is no good reason to do coups in the first place(unless your trying to appeal to corporate demands).Occupations are even worse, because it shows how manipulative the government is. It would rather send it citizens to a foreign land, instead of solving simple issues like healthcare. The US must balance it's role in the world.

[The New California Republic]

large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

The shooty parts, obviously! *nods*

[Novus America]

We spend the most total because our economy is so huge. We do not spend the biggest amount by percentage of GDP at all. Obviously a very big economy can and will spend more than a much smaller one.

Sure we have issues but that is not because we are a republic.
And we are still doing better than most countries.

Anyways supporting coups is cheap. It is occupations that are expensive.
Most our government spending goes to domestic concerns anyways.
Sure you should focus on your homeland, but not ignore everything outside it.
Because the problems that start outside it come to you.

I am okay with limiting our involvement in many cases.
But not against all involvement.

The decision has to be made on a case by case bias.

1.Though, large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.


2.America is not failing because of it's Republicanism, but because of it's Capitalism. Higher and Upper middles class have a privilege that many Americans do not have. We shouldn't be so cocky with our place in the world.

3.Their is no good reason to do coups in the first place(unless your trying to appeal to corporate demands).Occupations are even worse, because it shows how manipulative the government is. It would rather send it citizens to a foreign land, instead of solving simple issues like healthcare. The US must balance it's role in the world.

Sure not every part of the military is perfectly well budgeted but again it is not that big of percentage of the economy nor the largest government expenditure.
Reforming healthcare could save more.
The economic issues we have are not primarily because of a lack of government spending.

Also cutting military spending would result in factories losing and people losing jobs.
Putting those workers on welfare saves nothing.

America has problems, and needs reform. It is not failing.
And capitalism is not the problem per se, though our current implementation of it is imperfect.

We cannot keep up with China without capitalism. China is capitalist too, how they implement it is different but they still employ capitalism.

Before they adopted capitalism they were not an economic threat.

Coups absolutely can have a good reason, such as undermining an enemy government.
Again you cannot simply pretend foreign enemies do not exist. And if you do your citizens pay.

Again we already spend more than enough on healthcare (a higher GDP percentage than places with better outcomes) and more on healthcare the the military!

Lack of money has nothing to do with our healthcare issues (which while real are exaggerated anyways). Throwing more money at it would fix nothing.

[Dumb Ideologies]

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

The shooty parts, obviously! *nods*

Quite wrong. According to my detailed, and thoroughly illegible, calculations the optimum military build-out is artillery-only. Particularly good for peacekeeping.

[The New California Republic]

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

The shooty parts, obviously! *nods*

I honestly can't wait for their answer.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The shooty parts, obviously! *nods*

Quite wrong. According to my detailed, and thoroughly illegible, calculations the optimum military build-out is artillery-only. Particularly good for peacekeeping.

The mere fact that I know exactly where that reference comes from makes me want to both marry you and tie you to a goddamn Saturn rocket.

[Sicaris]

Quite wrong. According to my detailed, and thoroughly illegible, calculations the optimum military build-out is artillery-only. Particularly good for peacekeeping.

The mere fact that I know exactly where that reference comes from makes me want to both marry you and tie you to a goddamn Saturn rocket.

Enemy can’t attack you if they can’t get troops past the killing grounds of artillery.

[Communal concils]

1.Though, large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.


2.America is not failing because of it's Republicanism, but because of it's Capitalism. Higher and Upper middles class have a privilege that many Americans do not have. We shouldn't be so cocky with our place in the world.

3.Their is no good reason to do coups in the first place(unless your trying to appeal to corporate demands).Occupations are even worse, because it shows how manipulative the government is. It would rather send it citizens to a foreign land, instead of solving simple issues like healthcare. The US must balance it's role in the world.

Sure not every part of the military is perfectly well budgeted but again it is not that big of percentage of the economy nor the largest government expenditure.
Reforming healthcare could save more.
The economic issues we have are not primarily because of a lack of government spending.

Also cutting military spending would result in factories losing and people losing jobs.
Putting those workers on welfare saves nothing.

America has problems, and needs reform. It is not failing.
And capitalism is not the problem per se, though our current implementation of it is imperfect.

We cannot keep up with China without capitalism. China is capitalist too, how they implement it is different but they still employ capitalism.

Before they adopted capitalism they were not an economic threat.

Coups absolutely can have a good reason, such as undermining an enemy government.
Again you cannot simply pretend foreign enemies do not exist. And if you do your citizens pay.

Again we already spend more than enough on healthcare (a higher GDP percentage than places with better outcomes) and more on healthcare the the military!

Lack of money has nothing to do with our healthcare issues (which while real are exaggerated anyways). Throwing more money at it would fix nothing.

1.The Military spending in the U.S is the largest in the world. If we cut quarter of it, then it would at least be use to reform the healthcare system.

2.A Large amount of the Military industrial complex can be used for the manufacturing of needs. Like mining can be funding more than the military, and seeking more oil and keep the industrialization going. I simply want to shift spending to other aspects of the economy, the civilian economy. Welfare is used to limit the impacts of poverty, and this is important for working citizens. I'm not a social democrat, I don't think giving free stuff is enough.

3.Reform isn't enough, it needs economic revolution. It needs total and complete change in economic purpose. In terms of capitalism, it needs to be removed in America. America has only one type, a form of capitalism that allows corporations unnatural autonomy. If the country wants to out match china, then it must change from the very roots of the problem, not just the branches. Also the Chinese were a opponent of the United states as a planned economy. They literally helped preserve North Korea, and they pushed America back to the 38th parallel. China continued to develop, and they developed nuclear weapons under a planned economy so it's ahistorical to claim that they were powerless without a market dominated system.

4.America is safer turning it's own lands into a fortress, we don't need troops on every corner of the Earth. A coup wastes lot's of military forces, and it leads in a boom of refugees. If America truly cares for the world, then it must think of socio-political outcome of it's decisions.5..If that was true, then that means the country sucks at trying to secure the populations health. If we have universal healthcare, then it would be a great improvement in stopping heath problems.

5.If that was true, then that means the country sucks at trying to secure the populations health. If we have universal healthcare, then it would be a great improvement in stopping heath problems.
Throwing money at it won't stop it, but programs need to be created for medical educations.doctors must be discipline, and the heath system must have lot's of plans on who becomes a doctor.

[Communal concils]

large part of the military budget is unnecessary. It should be used to develop the countries economy.

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

Military bases, some alliances, and a cut in the budget. This is not base on any desire to be anti-war, but to rather stay out of the worlds self doing. I think America needs to develop domestically, and foreign policy comes as a secondary priority.

[The New California Republic]

What parts, pray tell, do you deem "unnecessary"?

Military bases, some alliances, and a cut in the budget.

Which ones?

[Bear Stearns]

I envision a world run by Enron, Worldcom, Standard Oil, Arthur Andersen, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, Sears, General Motors, and General Electric.

And it's beautiful.

[Communal concils]

Military bases, some alliances, and a cut in the budget.

Which ones?

Israel, Gulf states, Taiwan and Ukraine. NATO Members would need to be teached to defend their own lands. Though, U.S should still help NATO members.

[The New California Republic]

Which ones?

Israel, Gulf states, Taiwan and Ukraine.

Military bases, which ones.

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NATO Members would need to be teached to defend their own lands. Though, U.S should still help NATO members.

So basically what happens already?

[Novus America]

Sure not every part of the military is perfectly well budgeted but again it is not that big of percentage of the economy nor the largest government expenditure.
Reforming healthcare could save more.
The economic issues we have are not primarily because of a lack of government spending.

Also cutting military spending would result in factories losing and people losing jobs.
Putting those workers on welfare saves nothing.

America has problems, and needs reform. It is not failing.
And capitalism is not the problem per se, though our current implementation of it is imperfect.

We cannot keep up with China without capitalism. China is capitalist too, how they implement it is different but they still employ capitalism.

Before they adopted capitalism they were not an economic threat.

Coups absolutely can have a good reason, such as undermining an enemy government.
Again you cannot simply pretend foreign enemies do not exist. And if you do your citizens pay.

Again we already spend more than enough on healthcare (a higher GDP percentage than places with better outcomes) and more on healthcare the the military!

Lack of money has nothing to do with our healthcare issues (which while real are exaggerated anyways). Throwing more money at it would fix nothing.

1.The Military spending in the U.S is the largest in the world. If we cut quarter of it, then it would at least be use to reform the healthcare system.

2.A Large amount of the Military industrial complex can be used for the manufacturing of needs. Like mining can be funding more than the military, and seeking more oil and keep the industrialization going. I simply want to shift spending to other aspects of the economy, the civilian economy. Welfare is used to limit the impacts of poverty, and this is important for working citizens. I'm not a social democrat, I don't think giving free stuff is enough.

3.Reform isn't enough, it needs economic revolution. It needs total and complete change in economic purpose. In terms of capitalism, it needs to be removed in America. America has only one type, a form of capitalism that allows corporations unnatural autonomy. If the country wants to out match china, then it must change from the very roots of the problem, not just the branches. Also the Chinese were a opponent of the United states as a planned economy. They literally helped preserve North Korea, and they pushed America back to the 38th parallel. China continued to develop, and they developed nuclear weapons under a planned economy so it's ahistorical to claim that they were powerless without a market dominated system.

4.America is safer turning it's own lands into a fortress, we don't need troops on every corner of the Earth. A coup wastes lot's of military forces, and it leads in a boom of refugees. If America truly cares for the world, then it must think of socio-political outcome of it's decisions.5..If that was true, then that means the country sucks at trying to secure the populations health. If we have universal healthcare, then it would be a great improvement in stopping heath problems.

5.If that was true, then that means the country sucks at trying to secure the populations health. If we have universal healthcare, then it would be a great improvement in stopping heath problems.
Throwing money at it won't stop it, but programs need to be created for medical educations.doctors must be discipline, and the heath system must have lot's of plans on who becomes a doctor.

See you falsely believe things are absolutely horrible in the US. They are not.
The US is still doing much better than most of the world.
We can do better sure.

But if we want to be more like Switzerland then we still need capitalism.
The most successful countries are mostly capitalist (with some government involvement).

China was still a foe when before it was capitalist, but it was not an economic threat then.
A enemy or foe is not necessarily an economic threat.

Sure we need a major healthcare overhaul.
Our healthcare system is very inefficient. But again we do not need more money, just to spend it better.

Cutting spending on the military would do absolutely nothing to fix our healthcare problem.

We do not need to cut the military budget to fix our problems.

[Communal concils]

Israel, Gulf states, Taiwan and Ukraine.

Military bases, which ones.

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NATO Members would need to be teached to defend their own lands. Though, U.S should still help NATO members.

So basically what happens already?

Mostly Military bases in the Middle east. That is the most important area to focus on in that aspect of military foreign policy. I do think that a withdrawal needs to happen in South Korea(though not completely).

[Novus America]

Military bases, which ones.

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So basically what happens already?

Mostly Military bases in the Middle east. That is the most important area to focus on in that aspect of military foreign policy. I do think that a withdrawal needs to happen in South Korea(though not completely).

I am not against rethinking our military posture.
Most notably I oppose permanent overseas units.
If we need units in Poland and Korea for example, these should be US based units deployed on a rotational, as needed basis.
This would save money because it would mean we could eliminate overseas schools and housing for dependents.

And Army units in Germany are unnecessary and I would argue undesirable.

And I would like to see less involvement in the Middle East.
So I do not entirely disagree with you on that respect.

Though protecting Taiwan is important (we do not have bases there).
Taiwan greatly limits China’s naval potential.

[Communal concils]

Mostly Military bases in the Middle east. That is the most important area to focus on in that aspect of military foreign policy. I do think that a withdrawal needs to happen in South Korea(though not completely).

I am not against rethinking our military posture.
Most notably I oppose permanent overseas units.
If we need units in Poland and Korea for example, these should be use based units deployed on a rotational, as needed basis.
This would save money because it would mean we could eliminate overseas schools and housing for dependents.

And man units in Germany are unnecessary and I would argue undesirable.

And I would like to see less involvement in the Middle East.
So I do not entirely disagree with you on that respect.

Though protecting Taiwan is important (we do not have bases there).
Taiwan greatly limits China’s naval potential.

Well your proposal is interesting. Taiwan's situation can have several solutions. the most unlikely is that forcing china from taking over.
It would be best if we try to compromise. Creating a neutral zone may at least slow down the calls for conflict.

[Northern Davincia]

I envision a world run by Enron, Worldcom, Standard Oil, Arthur Andersen, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, Sears, General Motors, and General Electric.

And it's beautiful.

Ancapistan?

[Valrifell]

The shooty parts, obviously! *nods*

Quite wrong. According to my detailed, and thoroughly illegible, calculations the optimum military build-out is artillery-only. Particularly good for peacekeeping.

I think you forgot to consider horse archers.

[Yusseria]

The First Republic which again murdered masses of men, women, and children unjustly?

Justly, I think you mean.

Citizens, by what illusion could one persuade himself that you are inhuman. Your Revolutionary Tribunal has condemned three hundred rascals to death in a year. Has not the Spanish Inquisition done worse than that ... Have the English assizes butchered no one in that period? ... What of the kings of Europe, does anyone prate to them of pity? Ah, do not allow yourselves to grow soft-hearted!

=^)

>tfw the mobile guillotine rolls into town and your neighbor hates you and accuses you of being a counter-revolutionary so you're immediately beheaded but its okay because it was "just"

[Anarcho capitalist utopia]

I envision a world run by Enron, Worldcom, Standard Oil, Arthur Andersen, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, Sears, General Motors, and General Electric.

And it's beautiful.

Ancapistan?

Yes, a corporate libertarian paradise of freedom with no government involvement whatsoever

Justly, I think you mean.

=^)

>tfw the mobile guillotine rolls into town and your neighbor hates you and accuses you of being a counter-revolutionary so you're immediately beheaded but its okay because it was "just"

That's commie logic for you

[Internationalist Bastard]

Justly, I think you mean.

=^)

>tfw the mobile guillotine rolls into town and your neighbor hates you and accuses you of being a counter-revolutionary so you're immediately beheaded but its okay because it was "just"

I can think of worse ways to die

[Yusseria]

>tfw the mobile guillotine rolls into town and your neighbor hates you and accuses you of being a counter-revolutionary so you're immediately beheaded but its okay because it was "just"

I can think of worse ways to die

I'd rather not be executed just because some psychopath (Robespierre) controls the levers of government and wants to wage a campaign of terror just to keep himself in power.