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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:19 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:19 pm

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A Republican SCOTUS can revoke the previous ruling, although I doubt until Roberts is replaced they will. More importantly, if the GOP had any balls, they could do an end run around the issue by limiting what SCOTUS can review; the mandate of the Court can be controlled by Congressional legislation, and the GOP could, in theory, pass legislation preventing the Court from reviewing cases of this nature. That they never have speaks volumes about their convictions on a personal level.

What is it with some right wingers and wanting to oppress minorities?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yeah that last sentence was something I was thinking about, too. But:
1: Those badges weren't specifically what I was thinking about.
2: My intent is different.


Intent and practice are not always aligned. Anything with labeling is usually a bad idea.

If you need laws like banning same sex marriage.....your faith is rather weak.

The last sentence doesn't even make sense. Some religions have laws go be enforced, doesn't make them weak. Religions laws don't show weakness, just like laws in general don't show weakness of a nation.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Intent and practice are not always aligned. Anything with labeling is usually a bad idea.

If you need laws like banning same sex marriage.....your faith is rather weak.

The last sentence doesn't even make sense. Some religions have laws go be enforced, doesn't make them weak. Religions laws don't show weakness, just like laws in general don't show weakness of a nation.


Actually it makes complete sense. Religion is faith based. Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

Luckily, I don't have to worry as our laws keep the want of a theocracy in check.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:26 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:What is it with some right wingers and wanting to oppress minorities?

It’s fun

Maybe if the oppressor has a form of psychopathy or something.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:27 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yes

In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Religion is faith based.

Most religions have more than faith to them.
The Black Forrest wrote:Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

To me it shows order.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Literally read the plethora of conversations we’ve had on the subject
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.


Don't you guys have rules about spreading lies?

Her job doesn't involve Religious laws. It's fulling the process of a legal document.

She tried force her religious views on others and was rightfully terminated.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:They can’t do anything. Why? Because SCOTUS already ruled that marriage equality is legal so the bill would be automatically null and void

They said the same thing about abortion and yet we're still fucking fighting over that and it's been either illegalized or heavily overregulated to the point of uselessness in ~1/2 of the country.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:31 pm

I find it funny that the guy trying to ban gay marriage has the last name of Sexton.

There's my sophomoric humor at work. Laugh!
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.


Don't you guys have rules about spreading lies?

Her job doesn't involve Religious laws. It's fulling the process of a legal document.

She tried force her religious views on others and was rightfully terminated.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about how my proposal would work.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Religion is faith based.

Most religions have more than faith to them.


Correct. The tend to exemplify what is wrong with Religion.

The Black Forrest wrote:Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

To me it shows order.


Your problems with your faith are not my problem. You have to sort that out yourself.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Like?

I like that.

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign

In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Because quite frankly the government has no right to push any religious laws on someone even if they are of that religion. If someone wishes to follow parts of their religion and ignore other parts that is their choice and the government has no place in trying to change that.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Your problems with your faith

I don't have any problems with Al-Islam.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign

In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.

The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

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San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.

The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:39 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Your problems with your faith

I don't have any problems with Al-Islam.


Sure you do if you need the laws of man to bend to it.

Al-Islam is not without fault. I know an ex Muslim who had to flee his country because some practitioners of Al-Islam were coming to kill him in the middle of the night. He is gay.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:39 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc

You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.
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The Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority in the US; you can't go around it. That's blatantly illegal.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc

The constitution fotbids establishing a religion or restricting the free exercise therof. It’s in the first amendment

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sigh
Amun’s ideal form of government is a form of theocracy for each religion. The idea is that religious freedom would be preserved while allowing theocracy to exist
For clarification to those who haven’t discussed this with him prior

For more info, please read this.
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