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by Naboompu » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:22 pm
by Kowani » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:27 pm
Naboompu wrote:What a well-written, clear and sensible proposal! It would have my support if it achieves quorum.
I honestly don't know what is overly complicated about this. After 2008, I thought more people would have taken a modicum of interest in bonds, collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), rating agencies and liquidity crises. The key argument is pretty much that securitizing debt increases market liquidity with the caveats that strongly correlated assets (such as junk mortgage bonds in the United States) are not packaged together and tranched as low risk and that the securitization process is appropriately disclosed to stakeholders. It also seems like a very good idea to create a liquidity support programme, since nations are in general vulnerable to liquidity risk whether they'd admit to it or not.
by Wallenburg » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:01 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Seeing as people are not born with an innate knowledge of economic jargon and theory, I find that incredibly hard to believe.
OOC: Or, I've taken the time to look up terms I didn't understand and applied them to the draft, thus learning what the draft means.
Again, either I'm uncommonly intelligent, or it's really not that hard.
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:41 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Or, I've taken the time to look up terms I didn't understand and applied them to the draft, thus learning what the draft means.
Again, either I'm uncommonly intelligent, or it's really not that hard.
I've already discussed that. I'm not spending my entire evening thumbing through dictionaries and encyclopedias to entertain IA's ego.
by Wallenburg » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:00 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Wallenburg wrote:I've already discussed that. I'm not spending my entire evening thumbing through dictionaries and encyclopedias to entertain IA's ego.
OOC: Then the only thing standing between you and comprehension...is you. Which really takes the culpability right off of IA.
by Naboompu » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:27 pm
Kowani wrote:Naboompu wrote:What a well-written, clear and sensible proposal! It would have my support if it achieves quorum.
I honestly don't know what is overly complicated about this. After 2008, I thought more people would have taken a modicum of interest in bonds, collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), rating agencies and liquidity crises. The key argument is pretty much that securitizing debt increases market liquidity with the caveats that strongly correlated assets (such as junk mortgage bonds in the United States) are not packaged together and tranched as low risk and that the securitization process is appropriately disclosed to stakeholders. It also seems like a very good idea to create a liquidity support programme, since nations are in general vulnerable to liquidity risk whether they'd admit to it or not.
You realize that the average NSer is a high schooler, and that there are many of us who’s first language isn’t English. For those of us like that, or those who fall into both categories, or don’t have the time to become economics scholars, this is a terrible resolution, regardless of its merits, because we can’t read it. And before someone else jumps in with “hurr durr, just use a dictionary lol”, a lot of people don’t have the time or ability to be economists. The choice to judge this proposal’s effectiveness is...somewhat hard, because it’s written in a way designed to be as obfuscating as possible.
by Wallenburg » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:49 pm
Naboompu wrote:Should we really dismiss something out of hand, because it is currently incomprehensible
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:26 am
by New Bremerton » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:49 am
by Bananaistan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:42 pm
New Bremerton wrote:IA has a reputation for using incomprehensible language in order to deliberately mislead and deceive delegates into furthering a hidden agenda, so much so that we nearly bought into Jocospor and the CCD's false narrative of the WA being commandeered by a "corrupt liberal elite". This was the case with Preventing the Execution of Innocents and is clearly the case here. Naturally, we remain suspicious of IA's motives. AGAINST.
OOC: People can't seem to decide whether Wallenburg is being anti-intellectual or whether IA is being elitist. I'm with Wallenburg on this one. This is absolutely ridiculous. It would REALLY help if IA defined each of these financial terms in the OP separately from the draft itself. I'll consider changing my vote if that happens.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:39 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:...I don't think it's unreasonable to expect resolutions to be written so that most players can understand them, but I also don't think this breaches that standard, at least in its current state. This ain't Candyland; we're simulating international law. Properly done, this is kind of a complex affair. If you have to do a little research, well, so do the authors of most halfway decent proposals. This isn't appreciably different.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:23 pm
by Karteria » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:18 pm
by Tinfect » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:24 pm
Imperium Central News Network: EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL CITIZENS ARE TO PROCEED TO EVACUATION SITES IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL FURTHER SUBSPACE SIGNALS AND SYSTEMS ARE TO BE DISABLED IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: THE FOLLOWING SYSTEMS ARE ACCESS PROHIBITED BY STANDARD/BLACKOUT [Error: Format Unrecognized] | Indomitable Bastard #283
by New Bremerton » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:53 pm
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Still no support until you write it in a way that isn't utterly fucking incoherent.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:55 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:38 pm
by Tinfect » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:21 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Tinfect, considering that you don't know (or didn't know, at the time of posting this draft) what liquidity is, I don't think it's possible to describe a liquidity control mechanism in such a manner that you would support it, especially when you also espouse unempirical and profoundly destructive economic beliefs which belie many established facts of economic growth, practice, and behaviour.
Imperium Central News Network: EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL CITIZENS ARE TO PROCEED TO EVACUATION SITES IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL FURTHER SUBSPACE SIGNALS AND SYSTEMS ARE TO BE DISABLED IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: THE FOLLOWING SYSTEMS ARE ACCESS PROHIBITED BY STANDARD/BLACKOUT [Error: Format Unrecognized] | Indomitable Bastard #283
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:11 pm
Tinfect wrote:See? I can spout off random insults too! It doesn't make it an argument!
by Araraukar » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's very relevant to your self-ascribed inability to understand the fundamentals of the proposal.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:45 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:00 am
by Falcania » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:16 am
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