Monarchist Discussion Thread II: The Crown will Rise Again!

[Diopolis]

Is it possible for French monarchy to be restored?

Yes, but not terribly likely.

[Nakena]

Prior to Wilhelm II, the German monarchy had some executive power, but Wilhelm's power expanded greatly over the course of his reign, becoming semi-autocratic.

The British monarchy's power fluctuated throughout its history as well.

Both still technically constitutional though?

What is the point of absolute monarchies, when a monarch can achieve almost the same level of power while technically being constitutional? I'm guessing believing in a divine right to rule plays a part?

Imperial Germany was a constitutional monarchy.

So are Morocco and Jordan.

[Frievolk]

Is it possible for French monarchy to be restored?

It is possible. Just not very likely. Almost not likely at all, tbh. You'd get more results looking for a restoration in Germany, Austria, or Russia tbh.

[Hammer Britannia]

Is it possible for French monarchy to be restored?

It's more likely for Chad to become a developed nation shm

[Seraven]

Is it possible for French monarchy to be restored?

It is possible. Just not very likely. Almost not likely at all, tbh. You'd get more results looking for a restoration in Germany, Austria, or Russia tbh.

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

[Frievolk]

It is possible. Just not very likely. Almost not likely at all, tbh. You'd get more results looking for a restoration in Germany, Austria, or Russia tbh.

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

[Diopolis]

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

French monarchists are also divided up amongst themselves.

[Reikoku]

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

French monarchists are also divided up amongst themselves.

Legitimist > Orléanist

[Diopolis]

French monarchists are also divided up amongst themselves.

Legitimist > Orléanist

Exactly. Prince Louis Alfonse Bourbon is the exact kind of ruler France needs rn.

[Engleberg]

It is possible. Just not very likely. Almost not likely at all, tbh. You'd get more results looking for a restoration in Germany, Austria, or Russia tbh.

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

There is a current heir in the line for the Imperial throne. May this century see their restoration.

[Diopolis]

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

Isn't the german monarchist movement currently dominated by neonazis trying to avoid persecution under anti-nazi laws by claiming to be monarchists instead?
I could see Hungary restoring their monarchy before Austria, tbh.

[Trumptonium1]

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

Isn't the german monarchist movement currently dominated by neonazis trying to avoid persecution under anti-nazi laws by claiming to be monarchists instead?
I could see Hungary restoring their monarchy before Austria, tbh.

Hungarians aren't stupid.

Although I'm sure many would agree with Orban becoming President-for-Life so he can make some longer term policy decisions, but then absolute democracy is still pretty important and the only reason he's in that position is because he has their continued support.

[Bienenhalde]

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

There is a current heir in the line for the Imperial throne. May this century see their restoration.

I agree. In fact it would be nice to see a Hohenzollern as Emperor of Europe.

[Reikoku]

There is a current heir in the line for the Imperial throne. May this century see their restoration.

I agree. In fact it would be nice to see a Hohenzollern as Emperor of Europe.

The majority of nationalists and monarchists in Europe would probably beg to differ.

[Kubra]

I agree. In fact it would be nice to see a Hohenzollern as Emperor of Europe.

The majority of nationalists and monarchists in Europe would probably beg to differ.

monarchism always seems fine and dandy until one has to get into particulars, such as who ought to get the crown.

[Auze]

Hmm, I am not sure with the Germans, though. Has there been any indications of the remains of Wilhelm's descendants?

There is a current heir in the line for the Imperial throne. May this century see their restoration.

Why not start small if you must do stuff like this? Restore, I dunno, Ethiopia's monarchy instead.

[Reikoku]

The majority of nationalists and monarchists in Europe would probably beg to differ.

monarchism always seems fine and dandy until one has to get into particulars, such as who ought to get the crown.

That's true for just about all ideologies. As a socialist, you must know this.

[Kubra]

monarchism always seems fine and dandy until one has to get into particulars, such as who ought to get the crown.

That's true for just about all ideologies. As a socialist, you must know this.

Well hey at least those debates are one of policy, rather than "is it more embarassing to be ruled by an inbred austrian or a pompous frenchman?"

[Reikoku]

That's true for just about all ideologies. As a socialist, you must know this.

Well hey at least those debates are one of policy, rather than "is it more embarassing to be ruled by an inbred austrian or a pompous frenchman?"

Is that what we're calling abstract debates about the nature of dialectical materialism?

[Kubra]

Well hey at least those debates are one of policy, rather than "is it more embarassing to be ruled by an inbred austrian or a pompous frenchman?"

Is that what we're calling abstract debates about the nature of dialectical materialism?

Oh, that's a young man's game. The old have the good sense to leave off the matter, apart from the old people who coined it and its worst aspects (looking at you, Engels).

[Frievolk]

There is a current heir in the line for the Imperial throne. May this century see their restoration.

I agree. In fact it would be nice to see a Hohenzollern as Emperor of Europe.

Much as I hate it, A.E.I.O.U.

Well, I mean there is a heir to the Hohenzollern dynasty. Also to various other dynasties that ruled the smaller states in the German Empire, but that's not even the point. Iirc, the latest censuses (censi?) showed something along the lines of 2 out of every 5 Germans somewhat supporting a restoration (similar in Austria, a lot more in Russia). French heirs (either the legitimists, the orleanists, or the Bonapartes) have way less popularity than that.

Isn't the german monarchist movement currently dominated by neonazis trying to avoid persecution under anti-nazi laws by claiming to be monarchists instead?
I could see Hungary restoring their monarchy before Austria, tbh.

A lot of them are indeed far-right nationalists -the Kaiserreich having been a far-right nationalist regime and all- but I personally doubt most of them are Nazis tbh.

[Autarkheia]

I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

[Frievolk]

I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

The Nazi Germany supposedly supported the Monarchy (I mean, not enough to go the Mussolini route and have one be the emperor as figurehead but anyway) and a lot of the German Royalty also supported the Nazis (again, only insofar as their own way of life wasn't threatened. Crown prince Wilhelm was an exception)

[Diopolis]

I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

Nazi Germany used many similar symbols to Imperial Germany, and protected seigneural rights.

[Salus Maior]

I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

The Nazi Germany supposedly supported the Monarchy (I mean, not enough to go the Mussolini route and have one be the emperor as figurehead but anyway) and a lot of the German Royalty also supported the Nazis (again, only insofar as their own way of life wasn't threatened. Crown prince Wilhelm was an exception)

Hitler and Kaiser Wilhelm hated each other, I think it's pretty clear by the fact that they did not restore the crown that they were not royalists.