MAGAThread XIV: All persons born or naturalized ...

[Napkiraly]

Republics and democracy are not mutually exclusive. We are a democratic republic. A democracy.

Don't play semantics if you don't know the meanings of words.

The "republic, not a democracy" line should be punished by mods at this point considering how stupid it is.

If moderation started handing out warnings and bans over the use of dumb arguments, you'd have been DOS quite awhile ago.

[Chernoslavia]

Never said they were, we're still not a democracy, we're a constitutional republic. You don't know what you're talking about.

A democracy is any given state where power is derived from consent of the governed through vote.

A republic is any form of government without a monarch.

A constitution is a set of defining laws and characteristics that serves the basis and justification for government and governance in a given nation.

All three can coexist. And, oh look, they do.

Again, I never said neither can coexist. However, we are not all of the above. A democracy has a government that has consent from the majority first, we're not ruled by the majority, we don't get to vote on what laws pass, and we don't elect the president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

''Federal presidential constitutional republic''

[Valrifell]

A democracy is any given state where power is derived from consent of the governed through vote.

A republic is any form of government without a monarch.

A constitution is a set of defining laws and characteristics that serves the basis and justification for government and governance in a given nation.

All three can coexist. And, oh look, they do.

Again, I never said neither can coexist. However, we are not all of the above. A democracy has a government that has consent from the majority first, we're not ruled by the majority, we don't get to vote on what laws pass, and we don't elect the president.

You indirectly vote on what laws get passed through the election of representatives, you're using the definition of direct democracy to apply to the concept as a whole, which is wrong.

Democracy is not defined as the will of the majority, so that's also just wrong and clouded by your apparent prejudices against the system.

The President is indirectly elected, still has to get some kind of popular mandate. We don't live in an autocratic republic so saying we're not a democratic republic is just absurd.

[Chernoslavia]

Again, I never said neither can coexist. However, we are not all of the above. A democracy has a government that has consent from the majority first, we're not ruled by the majority, we don't get to vote on what laws pass, and we don't elect the president.

You indirectly vote on what laws get passed through the election of representatives, you're using the definition of direct democracy to apply to the concept as a whole, which is wrong.

Democracy is not defined as the will of the majority, so that's also just wrong and clouded by your apparent prejudices against the system.

The President is indirectly elected, still has to get some kind of popular mandate. We don't live in an autocratic republic so saying we're not a democratic republic is just absurd.

Except that's exactly what a democracy is, again you don't know anything about what you're talking about. Remember how you leftists were bitching about how the electoral college is ''very undemocratic'' and such? Well now you know why, we''ve never been a democracy, our forefathers even hated the thought of this nation being one.

No fucking shit we don't live in an autocratic republic, the government's power is restricted by our constitution! Seriously, just stop. Just because we're not an actual democracy doesn't make us autocratic.

And I just love how you ignored the source I cited you.

[Petrasylvania]

We're not a democracy, stop it.

Republics and democracy are not mutually exclusive. We are a democratic republic. A democracy.

Don't play semantics if you don't know the meanings of words.

And the same folks don't mind "spreading democracy" in foreign countries either.

[Chernoslavia]

Republics and democracy are not mutually exclusive. We are a democratic republic. A democracy.

Don't play semantics if you don't know the meanings of words.

And the same folks don't mind "spreading democracy" in foreign countries either.

I think “spreading freedom” is what they say, but in either case we’re not a democracy and I actually support a non interventionist military.

[Zurkerx]

Hmm, what will Trump say today...

Mexico should move the flag waving Migrants, many of whom are stone cold criminals, back to their countries. Do it by plane, do it by bus, do it anyway you want, but they are NOT coming into the U.S.A. We will close the Border permanently if need be. Congress, fund the WALL!

When Mueller does his final report, will he be covering all of his conflicts of interest in a preamble, will he be recommending action on all of the crimes of many kinds from those “on the other side”(whatever happened to Podesta?), and will he be putting in statements from hundreds of people closely involved with my campaign who never met, saw or spoke to a Russian during this period? So many campaign workers, people inside from the beginning, ask me why they have not been called (they want to be). There was NO Collusion & Mueller knows it!

Moving along now...

[Old Tyrannia]

for we as a species are not totally rational animals.

Yeah, you're pretty clear evidence of this.

Xadufell: Borderline though this post may be, given the absence of any other content to your post and your extensive warning record, I'm giving you a *** warning for flamebait. *** Knock it off or next time you may well find yourself serving a forum ban.

[Tobleste]

The "republic, not a democracy" line should be punished by mods at this point considering how stupid it is.

If moderation started handing out warnings and bans over the use of dumb arguments, you'd have been DOS quite awhile ago.

It's not my fault you can't understand.

[Loben]

If moderation started handing out warnings and bans over the use of dumb arguments, you'd have been DOS quite awhile ago.

It's not my fault you can't understand.

What, your non existant superior arguements?

[Tobleste]

It's not my fault you can't understand.

What, your non existant superior arguements?

Superior is relative. I'd argue my arguments are average. Fortunately, average is superior to awful.

[Proctopeo]

What, your non existant superior arguements?

Superior is relative. I'd argue my arguments are average. Fortunately, average is superior to awful.

And you rarely go against people with arguments worse than average.

[Valrifell]

I didn't realize Tobleste was the president

[Vassenor]

Back on topic:

Ford Plans Layoffs After $1 Billion Trump Tariff Hit

Remember how the tariffs were meant to be the best thing ever for US industry?

[Loben]

I didn't realize Tobleste was the president

Something fuck trump? Am i cool now?

[Valrifell]

I didn't realize Tobleste was the president

Something fuck trump? Am i cool now?

Are you done?

[Loben]

Something fuck trump? Am i cool now?

Are you done?

Is kathy Griffin going to hold a mock up of trumps severed head and insist shes sane again?

And yes im.done.

[Juristonia]

This will go a lot faster if you all just whip them out and grab a tape measure.
At least that way everyone else doesn't have to scroll through your little purse slapping episodes and can just read about the actual topic.

[Duhon]

for we as a species are not totally rational animals.

Yeah, you're pretty clear evidence of this.

Well, if you have nothing better to do than at snipe at me...

[Tobleste]

I didn't realize Tobleste was the president

Valid point. I'll stop feeding the trolls.

[Duhon]

Back on topic:

Ford Plans Layoffs After $1 Billion Trump Tariff Hit

Remember how the tariffs were meant to be the best thing ever for US industry?

"Everyone who got axed was an illegal immigrant who illegally voted for Hillary, believe me."

[Telconi]

Back on topic:

Ford Plans Layoffs After $1 Billion Trump Tariff Hit

Remember how the tariffs were meant to be the best thing ever for US industry?

There are losers with every policy.

[Oil exporting People]

Both Trump and Brown were correct on the California fires

[Valrifell]

Both Trump and Brown were correct on the California fires

Can I have a reason to believe a YouTube video?

[Vassenor]

Both Trump and Brown were correct on the California fires

Can I have a reason to believe a YouTube video?

>America Uncovered

No you see this is totally legit yo.

Just ignore the fact its patreon page explicitly says it's a satire channel.