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Postby Corrian » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:24 pm

So Jeff Denham (R) is officially out in a California district that my friend lives in.
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Also Democrats are looking at probably about a 38 seat gain at the moment.
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Corrian wrote:So Jeff Denham (R) is officially out in a California district that my friend lives in.


Misread as "Dunham" and briefly pictured the ventriloquist/comedian in Congress. Unsure if relieved or dissapointed.
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Pelosi wasn't running for president, Clinton was - remember the Steele Dossier? I think that's just as bad as Trump's rambling speech, if not worse.


Well Clinton wasn't running in the two elections in Florida either but you still brought them up.

I remember the Steele dossier but don't know what bizarre reason republicans have for hating it so much.


I'm pointing out the hypocrisy between Democratic claims when the election is won, against their claims when the election is lost. That requires comparing the 2016 and 1028 elections.


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Not a smear job, since it hasn't uncovered anything substantial related to Trump and Russia. More of a fishing expedition. In 2012, Obama won by using the media to energize minorities. In 2016 Trump won by using the media to enegize white voters. Now we have the Mueller fishing expedition, which will get its Republican counterpart, for that is the balance of American Poltics. We've already seen it with the nuclear option when it comes to judicial confirmations; how'd that go? It's been two years, and I've seen zero evidence that links Trump to Russia that could pass scrutiny in Court. It seems that Democrats want an eternal Mueller probe. When one party does something, the other sinks to their level.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:42 pm

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Corrian wrote:So Jeff Denham (R) is officially out in a California district that my friend lives in.


Misread as "Dunham" and briefly pictured the ventriloquist/comedian in Congress. Unsure if relieved or dissapointed.

Holy cow I did the same thing.
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Arouran wrote:Arizona has illegals voting in elections and that's the only reason liberals can win anything is by cheating.Voter fraud is everywhere in America. The house only went full dumbass liberal is because of voter Fraud,just look how out of the blue liberals found boxes of votes...lies,lies,lies.We need a full recount,I'm sick of illegals getting to vote and that's why liberals don't want a wall.


Arouran wrote:Let's see the undercover videos around this country like Texas show proof of the dumbass liberal saying they let all daca illegals vote,any state that allows Sanctuary protection for the peasants who drain the taxpayers with welfare like California,New York.Don t deny that it's not true. Stupid snowflake liberals who easily get offended by facts,well they make people in this country sick.


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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:44 pm

Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.

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Postby Post War America » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:27 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.


Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:27 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.


Arizona was remarkably close in 2016, so Sinema winning there isn't completely surprising. I fully expect Arizona to become a purple swing state in the next presidential election or 2.
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And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:39 am

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And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.


Which is ironic considering how hard they blow the FACTS BEFORE FEELINGS horn.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:43 am

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And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.


It was also they who attacked the sciences first through their distaste of climate science and funding scientists, driving researchers pragmatically down partisan lines. People are actually concerned that this wave of scientist activism could draw more ire and retaliation from the GOP by further cutting money allocated for research grants and adopting more anti-climate change rhetoric. Or showing such favortism towards one party will drive members of the GOP deeper down the rabbit hole of deep-state scientists.

I don't doubt it, either, our politics is remarkably petty. The latter concern is kind of valid, though.
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Postby Tobleste » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:09 am

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Well Clinton wasn't running in the two elections in Florida either but you still brought them up.

I remember the Steele dossier but don't know what bizarre reason republicans have for hating it so much.


I'm pointing out the hypocrisy between Democratic claims when the election is won, against their claims when the election is lost. That requires comparing the 2016 and 1028 elections.


But the two situations are different. There's far more reason to complain about 2016 than 2018.
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Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.


Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.

Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?
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And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.


It was also they who attacked the sciences first through their distaste of climate science and funding scientists, driving researchers pragmatically down partisan lines. People are actually concerned that this wave of scientist activism could draw more ire and retaliation from the GOP by further cutting money allocated for research grants and adopting more anti-climate change rhetoric. Or showing such favortism towards one party will drive members of the GOP deeper down the rabbit hole of deep-state scientists.

I don't doubt it, either, our politics is remarkably petty. The latter concern is kind of valid, though.

Well, if it happens, it happens. Having scientists is still great. That Republicans might react pathetically isn't a reason not to have them.

I know that's not what you were saying, I'm just adding.
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Postby Post War America » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:54 am

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Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.

Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?


It is, but that's why Arizona's still competitive to lean red rather than a blue blowout.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:47 am

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Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.

Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?

from what I have heard the city of Phoenix itself leans democrat but Maricopa county overall leans republican but as we have seen in recent years that is beginning to change. Once Maricopa County flips so will the state as its 60 percent of the population

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Corrian wrote:Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?

from what I have heard the city of Phoenix itself leans democrat but Maricopa county overall leans republican but as we have seen in recent years that is beginning to change. Once Maricopa County flips so will the state as its 60 percent of the population

It also seems like the whole state is relatively mixed in general. Other than a couple, none of the counties are overwhelmingly Republican. I mean the fact that Maricopa County can flip even a tiny bit and flip the whole state should say something.
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And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.


Which is ironic considering how hard they blow the FACTS BEFORE FEELINGS horn.

Well, unless Gingrich is trying to justify peddling some straight up bullshit, then feelings are more important than facts.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:46 am

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:from what I have heard the city of Phoenix itself leans democrat but Maricopa county overall leans republican but as we have seen in recent years that is beginning to change. Once Maricopa County flips so will the state as its 60 percent of the population

It also seems like the whole state is relatively mixed in general. Other than a couple, none of the counties are overwhelmingly Republican. I mean the fact that Maricopa County can flip even a tiny bit and flip the whole state should say something.


It certainly does. Arizona will be a battleground state in 2020 and will be purple state probably no later than 2024 .

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Corrian wrote:It also seems like the whole state is relatively mixed in general. Other than a couple, none of the counties are overwhelmingly Republican. I mean the fact that Maricopa County can flip even a tiny bit and flip the whole state should say something.


It certainly does. Arizona will be a battleground state in 2020 and will be purple state probably no later than 2024 .


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It certainly does. Arizona will be a battleground state in 2020 and will be purple state probably no later than 2024 .


Democrats have been predicting eminent total victory for decades now. :roll:

That is not what I said. It cannot be denied Arizona is a changing state. Its no longer the Republican stronghold it once was. Republicans will only have a one seat majority in the lower house come January. If they lose another in 2020 it will be tied.

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It certainly does. Arizona will be a battleground state in 2020 and will be purple state probably no later than 2024 .


Democrats have been predicting eminent total victory for decades now. :roll:

Yeah, I remember that. They were supposed to start having demographics that make it "impossible to lose", and well..we saw how that turned out.

I mean maybe long term if Republicans don't change course on their rhetoric, and double down on the Trump rhetoric, it will go that way for a while until Republicans get their act together, but that is probably a ways off.
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With Texas slowly becoming more competitive, Florida enfranchising its former convicts, Arizona becoming purple... The numbers are not looking good for the Republicans. Texas means that during 2020 they will have to spend money and time in one of their safest states, because if Texas is lost... It's very hard to come back from that with regards to the electoral college. If the Democrats run a Texan democrat against Trump, then it is possible that Trump could conceivably lose Texas. That would be a very hard blow. Add to that that Florida will probably lean blue with the amount of convicts gaining the vote... Even if we look at just Florida and Arizona flipping, the GOP would have to make some major victories even if the Rust Belt continues voting for Trump like it did.


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Democrats have been predicting eminent total victory for decades now. :roll:

That is not what I said. It cannot be denied Arizona is a changing state. Its no longer the Republican stronghold it once was. Republicans will only have a one seat majority in the lower house come January. If they lose another in 2020 it will be tied.

With the vice president having the tie breaker, of course.
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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:With Texas slowly becoming more competitive, Florida enfranchising its former convicts, Arizona becoming purple... The numbers are not looking good for the Republicans. Texas means that during 2020 they will have to spend money and time in one of their safest states, because if Texas is lost... It's very hard to come back from that with regards to the electoral college. If the Democrats run a Texan democrat against Trump, then it is possible that Trump could conceivably lose Texas. That would be a very hard blow. Add to that that Florida will probably lean blue with the amount of convicts gaining the vote... Even if we look at just Florida and Arizona flipping, the GOP would have to make some major victories even if the Rust Belt continues voting for Trump like it did.


San Lumen wrote:That is not what I said. It cannot be denied Arizona is a changing state. Its no longer the Republican stronghold it once was. Republicans will only have a one seat majority in the lower house come January. If they lose another in 2020 it will be tied.

With the vice president having the tie breaker, of course.


Without Texas a Republican victory is just about impossible.

Arizona does not a have Lt. Governor and even if they did they would break ties in the State Senate not the House.
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