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by Valrifell » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:39 pm
Corrian wrote:So Jeff Denham (R) is officially out in a California district that my friend lives in.

by Shofercia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:23 pm
Tobleste wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Pelosi wasn't running for president, Clinton was - remember the Steele Dossier? I think that's just as bad as Trump's rambling speech, if not worse.
Well Clinton wasn't running in the two elections in Florida either but you still brought them up.
I remember the Steele dossier but don't know what bizarre reason republicans have for hating it so much.
Petrasylvania wrote:It lets them rationalize the Mueller probe as a purely political smear job.

by Luminesa » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:42 pm

by Lamoni » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:34 pm
Arouran wrote:Arizona has illegals voting in elections and that's the only reason liberals can win anything is by cheating.Voter fraud is everywhere in America. The house only went full dumbass liberal is because of voter Fraud,just look how out of the blue liberals found boxes of votes...lies,lies,lies.We need a full recount,I'm sick of illegals getting to vote and that's why liberals don't want a wall.
Arouran wrote:Let's see the undercover videos around this country like Texas show proof of the dumbass liberal saying they let all daca illegals vote,any state that allows Sanctuary protection for the peasants who drain the taxpayers with welfare like California,New York.Don t deny that it's not true. Stupid snowflake liberals who easily get offended by facts,well they make people in this country sick.
Arouran wrote:I didn't vote for either Hillary the skank,or Trump.But I know what's right and wrong.Its a fact Illegals vote in our elections.
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by Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:44 pm
by Post War America » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:27 am
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.

by Chan Island » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:27 am
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

by Chan Island » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:29 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

by Vassenor » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:39 am
Chan Island wrote:
And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.

by Valrifell » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:43 am
Chan Island wrote:
And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.

by Tobleste » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:09 am
Shofercia wrote:Tobleste wrote:
Well Clinton wasn't running in the two elections in Florida either but you still brought them up.
I remember the Steele dossier but don't know what bizarre reason republicans have for hating it so much.
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy between Democratic claims when the election is won, against their claims when the election is lost. That requires comparing the 2016 and 1028 elections.

by Corrian » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:30 am
Post War America wrote:Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Wow sinema won Arizona. I remember a political predictor site predicting Arizona could go to the democrats if John McCain wasn't the incumbant since he's popular but yeah. Once there is a demographic shift in mexican immigrants increasing, this state might turn purplish red.
Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.

by Corrian » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:31 am
Valrifell wrote:Chan Island wrote:
And it comes as no surprise that all of them are Democrats. Because scientists deal in objective reality, which the reds have abandoned long ago.
It was also they who attacked the sciences first through their distaste of climate science and funding scientists, driving researchers pragmatically down partisan lines. People are actually concerned that this wave of scientist activism could draw more ire and retaliation from the GOP by further cutting money allocated for research grants and adopting more anti-climate change rhetoric. Or showing such favortism towards one party will drive members of the GOP deeper down the rabbit hole of deep-state scientists.
I don't doubt it, either, our politics is remarkably petty. The latter concern is kind of valid, though.
by Post War America » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:54 am
Corrian wrote:Post War America wrote:
Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.
Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.

by San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:47 am
Corrian wrote:Post War America wrote:
Metro Phoenix has also gotten pretty yuge, and methinks that will be a bigger problem as Republicans in the Southwest have historically had an easier time getting non-Cuban Hispanic votes than those in other parts of the country.
Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?

by Corrian » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:54 am
San Lumen wrote:Corrian wrote:Isn't Phoenix one of the more conservative cities overall though?
from what I have heard the city of Phoenix itself leans democrat but Maricopa county overall leans republican but as we have seen in recent years that is beginning to change. Once Maricopa County flips so will the state as its 60 percent of the population
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by San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:46 am
Corrian wrote:San Lumen wrote:from what I have heard the city of Phoenix itself leans democrat but Maricopa county overall leans republican but as we have seen in recent years that is beginning to change. Once Maricopa County flips so will the state as its 60 percent of the population
It also seems like the whole state is relatively mixed in general. Other than a couple, none of the counties are overwhelmingly Republican. I mean the fact that Maricopa County can flip even a tiny bit and flip the whole state should say something.

by Telconi » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:51 am
San Lumen wrote:Corrian wrote:It also seems like the whole state is relatively mixed in general. Other than a couple, none of the counties are overwhelmingly Republican. I mean the fact that Maricopa County can flip even a tiny bit and flip the whole state should say something.
It certainly does. Arizona will be a battleground state in 2020 and will be purple state probably no later than 2024 .


by San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:59 am

by Corrian » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:59 am

by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:09 am
San Lumen wrote:
That is not what I said. It cannot be denied Arizona is a changing state. Its no longer the Republican stronghold it once was. Republicans will only have a one seat majority in the lower house come January. If they lose another in 2020 it will be tied.

by San Lumen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:With Texas slowly becoming more competitive, Florida enfranchising its former convicts, Arizona becoming purple... The numbers are not looking good for the Republicans. Texas means that during 2020 they will have to spend money and time in one of their safest states, because if Texas is lost... It's very hard to come back from that with regards to the electoral college. If the Democrats run a Texan democrat against Trump, then it is possible that Trump could conceivably lose Texas. That would be a very hard blow. Add to that that Florida will probably lean blue with the amount of convicts gaining the vote... Even if we look at just Florida and Arizona flipping, the GOP would have to make some major victories even if the Rust Belt continues voting for Trump like it did.San Lumen wrote:That is not what I said. It cannot be denied Arizona is a changing state. Its no longer the Republican stronghold it once was. Republicans will only have a one seat majority in the lower house come January. If they lose another in 2020 it will be tied.
With the vice president having the tie breaker, of course.
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