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by Dirty Americans » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:33 am
by Jutsa » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:20 am
Pretty sure you are already bound to provide aid to refugees ambassador.
by Caracasus » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:55 am
Dirty Americans wrote:Holy fly infested horse manure! I believe I might be the minority opinion here, but I feel I must kill this poor act; it deserves to die.
There are a lot of problems with the resolution at vote but the linchpin for most of them is a single word, "group." To understand why this is a problem we need to examine the proper definition of genocide: "The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group."
In short it's not just any old group and it's the entire group. Isolation of a portion of an entire group is often necessary (and in some cases with infections diseases required by W.A. law). Forced relocation of a portion of an entire group is often necessary for that portion's survival (such as natural or man made disasters). "Statistically disproportionate violence perpetrated against a group" may be the result of statistically disproportionate violence caused by a group (there are numerous examples of revolutionary sub groups within a much larger group. A portion of an entire group is by its very nature its own group. Thus the resolution moves genocide to relate to any non specific collection of people, which is an insult to those who have suffered under real examples of genocide. Had the emphasis been placed on "an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group" this resolution would have had my support.
Among the interesting things is the fact that you just make the detention of prisoners of war illegal.
by Kenmoria » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:15 am
Stuiderland wrote:National sovereignty
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:49 am
Kenmoria wrote:If it isn’t, then know that national sovereignty is no reason to oppose a resolution,...
by Ru- » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:52 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:16 pm
Ru- wrote:National sovereignty is a valid argument but only when the WA is attempting to overreach into purely national concerns, which it is not doing at all in this resolution.
Ru- wrote:Refugees and genocide are most definitely concerns of an international nature, and this proposal concerns what constitutes genocide and refugee status under WA law.
by Mt Beautiful » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:37 pm
Requires member states to render aid to individuals escaping genocide on the basis of their economic status or employment, and to consider such persons refugees.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:45 pm
by High Eyrie » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:54 pm
---news---we know everything about you and your family---should the internet be banned? this party member thinks so, and you should too---still no answer on non agression pact by wakakanote---resettlement of 5028 ashkenazi jews into israel goes as planned---leftist extremist shoots up daycare, shouts "die you f***ing nazi brood"---poll: many eyreans miss "kind monarchy" of old---minimum wage raised 5% again---
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:11 pm
High Eyrie wrote:Am I right with the assumption, that this resolution forces member states to take in refugees?
Is it also true, that this resolution prohibits member nations from expelling hostile minorities?
In this case, i must issue protest to this horrid proposal!
by AaronScythe » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:09 pm
Wallenburg wrote:+1 didn't read the resolution.
by Caracasus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:50 am
by Wallenburg » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:00 am
by Caracasus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:05 am
Wallenburg wrote:Caracasus wrote:Quite right. Wallenburg, that should be +1 didn't understand the resolution.
Yes, there should be. I have made it painfully clear that case-by-case arrests and imprisonments go unaffected by this resolution. As long as suspected criminals are not denied their due process as guaranteed under existing resolutions, this resolution imposes no limits whatsoever on counterterrorism or police action against organized crime.
by Wallenburg » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:23 am
Caracasus wrote:It's a nice proposal alright. Out of interest, has anyone threatened to leave the WA over this yet?
by Factbook of Demiurges » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:42 am
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:45 am
Factbook of Demiurges wrote:See my only concern is the fact that the last clause OBLIGATES nations to take in refugees and give them aid if another nation is committing genocide against them. However this has proven both in fictional and real life circumstances to cause public discord and to make nations take in these refugees means that I am putting my hardworking citizens safety at risk just to save the poor people of some other nation. I find this particular clause to be something I am firmly against due to the nature of the recent IRL situation surrounding the various Syrians that have caused no short amount of damage and chaos in the European nations that have taken them in, and I do not desire for similar events to occur within my own borders, as Demiurges shall always prioritize the safety of the Demiurgesian people over foreigners who are trying to act as refugees. I suggest adding in a clause that also allows the nations obligated to take in these refugees to do complete and thorough background checks on every refugee attempting to emigrate aswell as reject them based on previous criminal histories.
by The Palentine » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:51 pm
by Xanthal » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:18 pm
by Fishy Apples » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:32 pm
by The Eternal Kawaii » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:19 pm
by United Free States of America » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:29 pm
by Lord Dominator » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:32 pm
United Free States of America wrote:The United Free States of America Strongly opposes this proposal due to the fact that state-sanctioned elimination of certain groups or individuals that are Parasites to the state, for example, liberals/millennials that don't work and leech on welfare, these groups need to be eliminated so they don't sink the economy.
- United Free States Of America
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