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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:24 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Be a better alternative. Coke isn't suppressing Pepsi, they're just making a better soda.

Ah yes, if only it was that easy to overcome well-funded, institutionalized power.

Did you accidentally understand the legacy of racism in this country while pretending that the RNC is a scrappy financial underdog?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:29 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:They're one-party areas. Opposition has no chance.

Don't really seem like shining examples of democracy.


Not true. People leaning overwhelmingly to one side doesnt make it a dictatorship. Albany, New York for example has not elected a Republican to any city office since 1931. That does not make it a dictatorship.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/gov ... e-1.975258
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Kaggeceria wrote:No, just a poorly-functioning democracy.


Albany, New York or Minneapolis is a poorly functioning democracy because the people vote overwhelmingly one way? They voted in a free and fair election for their representatives.

Are you ignoring gerrymandering that goes on in NY?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:46 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not true. People leaning overwhelmingly to one side doesnt make it a dictatorship. Albany, New York for example has not elected a Republican to any city office since 1931. That does not make it a dictatorship.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/gov ... e-1.975258
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Albany, New York or Minneapolis is a poorly functioning democracy because the people vote overwhelmingly one way? They voted in a free and fair election for their representatives.

Are you ignoring gerrymandering that goes on in NY?

daily news is not a good source nor is that relevant to calling municipalities dictatorships because they lean overwhelmingly one way.

all gerrymandering ought to be outlawed. In New York we passed amendment to the state constitution in 2014 to outlaw it and hand redistricting over to a an independent commission. It will take effect in 2021 after the next census

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Postby Tobleste » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Here we see an advocate of a one-party state.

A far larger and more dangerous enemy of democracy than any Repubkican.

In which we pretend there is a strict binary and only one shape opposition can take in order to score on a point no one made. Now lets spend the next two pages in which people are told what they believe and what their arguments.


I don't think there's much worth in responding to that honestly. Unfortunately, in America, the only major right wing part is the republicans meaning that anyone who's disgusted by them is seemingly a marxist who wants to abolish conservative party's. It's unfortunate America can't actually have a sane conservative party like the UK or Germany.
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
If you're in an abusive relationship, compromising doesn't really work. I see no reason why liberal Americans benefit from the republican party's existence. Frankly, I see little reason why most Americans benefit from it's existence.

You don’t see a reason but the majority leader of your house does.


So? What do you expect her to say? Ideally, she'll investigate every possible source of corruption and abuse of power and block most republican legislation. If she does that, she can talk about bipartisanship all she wants.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/gov ... e-1.975258
"I am the government." -Andrew Cuomo

Are you ignoring gerrymandering that goes on in NY?

daily news is not a good source nor is that relevant to calling municipalities dictatorships because they lean overwhelmingly one way.

all gerrymandering ought to be outlawed. In New York we passed amendment to the state constitution in 2014 to outlaw it and hand redistricting over to a an independent commission. It will take effect in 2021 after the next census

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/ ... 86457.html
There, now you can have your favorite flavor of media. New York might not be a dictatorship but it is subject to mob rule.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:daily news is not a good source nor is that relevant to calling municipalities dictatorships because they lean overwhelmingly one way.

all gerrymandering ought to be outlawed. In New York we passed amendment to the state constitution in 2014 to outlaw it and hand redistricting over to a an independent commission. It will take effect in 2021 after the next census

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/ ... 86457.html
There, now you can have your favorite flavor of media. New York might not be a dictatorship but it is subject to mob rule.


Oh who cares! It was dumb comment and its from several years ago too.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/ ... 86457.html
There, now you can have your favorite flavor of media. New York might not be a dictatorship but it is subject to mob rule.


Oh who cares! It was dumb comment and its from several years ago too.

This man has absolutely no check on his power with the loss of the state senate. When someone declares that they are the government, and they have no opposition, the image that comes to mind is that of jackboots stomping on faces.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:03 pm

Is someone scripting this in Florida? Please, please, please tell me this is scripted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-le ... nate-races

The supervisor of elections in Florida's heavily Democratic Palm Beach County said Sunday that she did not believe her department would meet a Thursday deadline to complete recounts in the Sunshine State's historically tight gubernatorial and Senate races, threatening to further confuse an increasingly chaotic and politically fraught process.

The supervisor, Susan Bucher, told reporters that she did not expect to meet the deadline due to aging equipment. Florida Department of State spokeswoman Sarah Revell told Fox News that under state law, if a county does not submit their results by the deadline, then the results on file at the time take their place. Revell added that Florida's Secretary of State has no authority to grant extensions.


Oh Florida. What are we going to do with you? Maybe we should have nationally mandated, (or womandated,) election standards, just for Florida.
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Postby Ism » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:08 pm

Shofercia wrote:Is someone scripting this in Florida? Please, please, please tell me this is scripted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-le ... nate-races

The supervisor of elections in Florida's heavily Democratic Palm Beach County said Sunday that she did not believe her department would meet a Thursday deadline to complete recounts in the Sunshine State's historically tight gubernatorial and Senate races, threatening to further confuse an increasingly chaotic and politically fraught process.

The supervisor, Susan Bucher, told reporters that she did not expect to meet the deadline due to aging equipment. Florida Department of State spokeswoman Sarah Revell told Fox News that under state law, if a county does not submit their results by the deadline, then the results on file at the time take their place. Revell added that Florida's Secretary of State has no authority to grant extensions.


Oh Florida. What are we going to do with you? Maybe we should have nationally mandated, (or womandated,) election standards, just for Florida.


Florida would still screw it up. Somehow.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:36 pm

Ism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Is someone scripting this in Florida? Please, please, please tell me this is scripted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-le ... nate-races



Oh Florida. What are we going to do with you? Maybe we should have nationally mandated, (or womandated,) election standards, just for Florida.


Florida would still screw it up. Somehow.


Literal Jesus could write an election plan and Floridians would still find a way to muck it up.
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Postby Dahon » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:39 pm

Let the military take over the SouthFlorida and have pure-blooded non-Floridian grunts run elections for the state.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:03 pm

Shofercia wrote:Is someone scripting this in Florida? Please, please, please tell me this is scripted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-le ... nate-races

The supervisor of elections in Florida's heavily Democratic Palm Beach County said Sunday that she did not believe her department would meet a Thursday deadline to complete recounts in the Sunshine State's historically tight gubernatorial and Senate races, threatening to further confuse an increasingly chaotic and politically fraught process.

The supervisor, Susan Bucher, told reporters that she did not expect to meet the deadline due to aging equipment. Florida Department of State spokeswoman Sarah Revell told Fox News that under state law, if a county does not submit their results by the deadline, then the results on file at the time take their place. Revell added that Florida's Secretary of State has no authority to grant extensions.


Oh Florida. What are we going to do with you? Maybe we should have nationally mandated, (or womandated,) election standards, just for Florida.

They would be immediately violated, because Florida is a lost cause in every possible way. At least in a century or so it'll be underwater and we won't have to deal with its shit any more. :p
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:20 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Is someone scripting this in Florida? Please, please, please tell me this is scripted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-le ... nate-races



Oh Florida. What are we going to do with you? Maybe we should have nationally mandated, (or womandated,) election standards, just for Florida.

They would be immediately violated, because Florida is a lost cause in every possible way. At least in a century or so it'll be underwater and we won't have to deal with its shit any more. :p

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:20 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Senkaku wrote:They would be immediately violated, because Florida is a lost cause in every possible way. At least in a century or so it'll be underwater and we won't have to deal with its shit any more. :p

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We're already sinking it, no need to go to any extra trouble on its behalf lol
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Oh who cares! It was dumb comment and its from several years ago too.

This man has absolutely no check on his power with the loss of the state senate. When someone declares that they are the government, and they have no opposition, the image that comes to mind is that of jackboots stomping on faces.

The people voted for a democratic state senate.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This man has absolutely no check on his power with the loss of the state senate. When someone declares that they are the government, and they have no opposition, the image that comes to mind is that of jackboots stomping on faces.

The people voted for a democratic state senate.

Indeed, hence why I mentioned mob rule. They'll come to their senses eventually.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The people voted for a democratic state senate.

Indeed, hence why I mentioned mob rule. They'll come to their senses eventually.


Mob rule is essentially shorthand for "the people elected folks I don't agree with" particularly for right-wingers.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:39 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed, hence why I mentioned mob rule. They'll come to their senses eventually.


Mob rule is essentially shorthand for "the people elected folks I don't agree with" particularly for right-wingers.

New York is the least free state in the country. I could care less about who is in charge, until freedoms are at stake.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The people voted for a democratic state senate.

Indeed, hence why I mentioned mob rule. They'll come to their senses eventually.

Thats code for I don't like the result therefore things will change next time. That's like people saying I dont like Muslims therefore they shouldn't be allowed in public office such as Minnesota's new Attorney General Keith Ellison despite the constitution banning religious tests.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Mob rule is essentially shorthand for "the people elected folks I don't agree with" particularly for right-wingers.

New York is the least free state in the country. I could care less about who is in charge, until freedoms are at stake.

How is New York the least free state?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:55 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:New York is the least free state in the country. I could care less about who is in charge, until freedoms are at stake.

How are freedoms at stake? How exactly are you being oppressed?

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/new-york
San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed, hence why I mentioned mob rule. They'll come to their senses eventually.

Thats code for I don't like the result therefore things will change next time. That's like people saying I dont like Muslims therefore they shouldn't be allowed in public office such as Minnesota's new Attorney General Keith Ellison despite the constitution banning religious tests.

I don't see the similarities. Independent voters have the best shot at actually improving NY instead of kowtowing to one city.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How are freedoms at stake? How exactly are you being oppressed?

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/new-york
San Lumen wrote:Thats code for I don't like the result therefore things will change next time. That's like people saying I dont like Muslims therefore they shouldn't be allowed in public office such as Minnesota's new Attorney General Keith Ellison despite the constitution banning religious tests.

I don't see the similarities. Independent voters have the best shot at actually improving NY instead of kowtowing to one city.


kowtowing to one city? That city is 50 percent of the population and their vote counts just as much as yours.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/new-york

I don't see the similarities. Independent voters have the best shot at actually improving NY instead of kowtowing to one city.


kowtowing to one city? That city is 50 percent of the population and their vote counts just as much as yours.

And upstate residents have no chance at actually passing our agenda in Albany. I'm fully convinced that NYC should become its own state.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How are freedoms at stake? How exactly are you being oppressed?

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/new-york

The Cato Institute, pumping out attacks against policies in blue states? What a shocker :roll:
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