US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[San Lumen]

I dont only care about NYC.

Regardless, Cuomo should lose on the grounds of neglecting the rest of the state's landmass. Upstate residents have no reason to hope for New York's future.

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

[Uiiop]

Well, based upon his assertion that such laws are tyrannical, is that wrong?

Is it wrong for you to advocate crime?

Hmm. I'm gonna go with yes.

Did y'all forgot the fourm rules?
I mean since jim crow isn't legal anymore that part is fine but the guns and the current laws makes this topic nehhh.

I don't like this myself but let's save everyone the trouble.

[Telconi]

So you admit that you would break election laws?

it that case possibly. But we don't have literacy tests anymore as they were outlawed therefore your point is moot.

You still never answered my question on what you thought ought to be done when Newsom is declared victor and sworn into office in January

Okay, so why is it wrong for me to do what you admit you would do?

[Shrillland]

Some new poll numbers for the Plaza.

California-Prop 6(repeal gas tax increase and require future propositions for all further fuel/vehicle tax/fee increases)
Survey USA(10/12 - 10/14)
Yes: 58%
No: 29%
Projection:Too Close given trends

California-Prop 7(permanent DST)
Survey USA from above
Yes: 58%
No: 21%
Undecided: 21%
Projection: Approved

California-Prop 8(Limits on dialysis clinic profits and requirement of refunds)
Survey USA from above
Yes: 47%
No: 34:
Projection: Approved

California-Prop 10(Repeal ban on rent control)
Survey USA(10/12 - 10/14)
No: 46%
Yes: 35%
Undecided: 19%
Current projection: Rejected

California-Prop 11(requiring EMTs to remain on-call during breaks with full pay)
Survey USA from above
Yes: 54%
No: 26%
Undecided: 20%
Current Projection: Approved

Massachusetts-Question 1(Patient limits for nurses)
WBUR/MassInc Group(10/5 - 10/10)
Yes: 48%
No: 45%
Projection: Too Close

Oregon-Measure 102(Removing restriction that publicly funded housing be publicly owned)
DHM Research(10/4 - 10/11)
Yes: 46%
Undecided: 28%
No: 26%
Projection: Approved

Oregon-Measure 103(Ban on grocery taxes)
DHM Research from above
No: 47%
Yes: 33%
Projection: Rejected

Oregon-Measure 104(Changing definition of raising revenue to include ending tax credits and breaks)
DHM Research from above
No: 37%
Yes: 28%
Projection: Rejected

Oregon-Measure 105(End Sanctuary State status)
DHM Research from above
No: 45%
Yes: 32%
Projection: Rejected

Oregon-Measure 106(Ban publicly funded abortions)
DHM Research from above
No: 50%
Yes: 31%
Projection: Rejected

[San Lumen]

it that case possibly. But we don't have literacy tests anymore as they were outlawed therefore your point is moot.

You still never answered my question on what you thought ought to be done when Newsom is declared victor and sworn into office in January

Okay, so why is it wrong for me to do what you admit you would do?

Its a moot point as we don't have literacy tests anymore. I swear an oath to uphold the state constitution and do not want to go to prison.

[Telconi]

Okay, so why is it wrong for me to do what you admit you would do?

Its a moot point as we don't have literacy tests anymore. I swear an oath to uphold the state constitution and do not want to go to prison.

Which isn't an answer to the question.

[Northern Davincia]

Regardless, Cuomo should lose on the grounds of neglecting the rest of the state's landmass. Upstate residents have no reason to hope for New York's future.

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

I don't know how you extrapolated that. I prefer urban voters to start caring for the rest of the state, as even Cynthia Nixon did.

[San Lumen]

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

I don't know how you extrapolated that. I prefer urban voters to start caring for the rest of the state, as even Cynthia Nixon did.

Nixon focused her campaign on the city and barely campaigned outside of it. He won his last election with the mentioned areas and probably will again and get some more counties he didn't win last time. how is he neglecting the rest of the state? I didn't know he was a dictator.

[Uiiop]

Regardless, Cuomo should lose on the grounds of neglecting the rest of the state's landmass. Upstate residents have no reason to hope for New York's future.

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

[San Lumen]

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

The governor represents all not just those who voted for him or her.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

The governor represents all not just those who voted for him or her.

Objectively false.

[Uiiop]

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

The governor represents all not just those who voted for him or her.

Ideally speaking? yes.
But given your own complaints that ain't reality.
I mean do these shitty voter laws even practically affect the majority of voters in your state negatively?

[San Lumen]

The governor represents all not just those who voted for him or her.

Objectively false.

How? if a disaster occurs in your town and they voted against the current governor could they refuse to provide aid or veto any funding for projects in that town?

[San Lumen]

The governor represents all not just those who voted for him or her.

Ideally speaking? yes.
But given your own complaints that ain't reality.
I mean do these shitty voter laws even practically affect the majority of voters in your state negatively?

It doesnt effect enough to effect the outcome of elections. Most I encounter seem to be well aware of them as the Board of Elections makes sure people are informed of the law.

[Shrillland]

Objectively false.

How? if a disaster occurs in your town and they voted against the current governor could they refuse to provide aid or veto any funding for projects in that town?

The honest answer is yes, if they were craven enough to do that they would.

[San Lumen]

How? if a disaster occurs in your town and they voted against the current governor could they refuse to provide aid or veto any funding for projects in that town?

The honest answer is yes, if they were craven enough to do that they would.

And I dont know of any example of a governor doing that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Objectively false.

How?

Because they'll do nothing to represent you or your views and interests and in many cases will actively work against them.

[Telconi]

The honest answer is yes, if they were craven enough to do that they would.

And I dont know of any example of a governor doing that.

Your only interest is disaster relief?

[Northern Davincia]

I don't know how you extrapolated that. I prefer urban voters to start caring for the rest of the state, as even Cynthia Nixon did.

Nixon focused her campaign on the city and barely campaigned outside of it. He won his last election with the mentioned areas and probably will again and get some more counties he didn't win last time. how is he neglecting the rest of the state? I didn't know he was a dictator.

Nixon was right to condemn Cuomo in the debate for talking more about Trump than upstate NY. I expect Molinaro to perform better upstate than Astorino did.

In other words the NYC metro area votes and that of the Capital region, Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo should could less than someone in a rural county upstate?

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

"Shit on the people and what they want and what they're ready for. I don't give a goddamn about the people and what they want. This is the face of someone who has fought long and hard for the good of the people without caring much for any of 'em. And now I look a lot worse without my wig." -Thaddeus Stevens (Lincoln, 2012)

[San Lumen]

How?

Because they'll do nothing to represent you or your views and interests and in many cases will actively work against them.

Give and example? You could use the same example in many municipal or county elections thus year. Louisville, Austin and Providence are some of the the most well known places electing their mayors and city council this year. Does the winning candidate not represent those who didn't vote for them?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because they'll do nothing to represent you or your views and interests and in many cases will actively work against them.

Give and example?

My governor most certainly doesn't represent me or my views.

Does the winning candidate not represent those who didn't vote for them?

No they don't.

[San Lumen]

And I dont know of any example of a governor doing that.

Your only interest is disaster relief?

I'll take things I didn't say for 2000 Alex.

Nixon focused her campaign on the city and barely campaigned outside of it. He won his last election with the mentioned areas and probably will again and get some more counties he didn't win last time. how is he neglecting the rest of the state? I didn't know he was a dictator.

Nixon was right to condemn Cuomo in the debate for talking more about Trump than upstate NY. I expect Molinaro to perform better upstate than Astorino did.

"I care for everyone."
"But if the majority voters don't care why should he?"

It's not like ND actually advocated changing how votes mater in that post anyways. People can and do get voted out for neglecting minorities without such restructuring.

"Shit on the people and what they want and what they're ready for. I don't give a goddamn about the people and what they want. This is the face of someone who has fought long and hard for the good of the people without caring much for any of 'em. And now I look a lot worse without my wig." -Thaddeus Stevens (Lincoln, 2012)

Polling is showing him likely improving on his margin upstate. Astorino performed about as well as possible for a Republican upstate and he still lost.

[Shrillland]

Because they'll do nothing to represent you or your views and interests and in many cases will actively work against them.

Give and example? You could use the same example in many municipal or county elections thus year. Louisville, Austin and Providence are some of the the most well known places electing their mayors and city council this year. Does the winning candidate not represent those who didn't vote for them?

Officially, yes. Ideally, yes. In reality, it's more that those who voted against don't feel represented by someone who's diametrically opposed to them.

[San Lumen]

Give and example?

My governor most certainly doesn't represent me or my views.

Does the winning candidate not represent those who didn't vote for them?

No they don't.

How do they not? They won a free and fair election to be the executive of your state.


What is your solution then?

[Uiiop]

Ideally speaking? yes.
But given your own complaints that ain't reality.
I mean do these shitty voter laws even practically affect the majority of voters in your state negatively?

It doesnt effect enough to effect the outcome of elections. Most I encounter seem to be well aware of them as the Board of Elections makes sure people are informed of the law.

Then to be blunt under your own assumptive logic any attempts to change these laws must intend a few minority voters to have more power than anyone else.
Because these laws were made by elected official who already represent everyone including the people who can't vote.