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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:10 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Get a room.

How does it feel to be wrong?

How does it feel to celebrate over an internet debate like you won the Super Bowl?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:11 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:This never happened. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Tell me more about how the poor Democrats are so victimized and have never played dirty, sweetheart.

I believe you have your own set of alternative facts.

Okay, let's take a look.

Federal judgeship nominations were outright denied hearings during 2001-2003, I'll give that to you. Dick moves.

But as for the rest including Supreme Court nominations...

Filibusters. Made during confirmation hearings that were actually held.

Filibusters. Like the Republicans were more than happy to use for Obama's judicial nominees until they one day decided the Uppity Kenyan didn't even deserve that much and denied Merrick Garland a confirmation hearing.


What're your thoughts on Schumer saying he wouldn't confirm a Bush nominee to SCOTUS if one were to occur except under "extraordinary circumstances"?

This also happened more than a year before the election in 2008. Seems like McConnel just gave Schumer a taste of his own medicine lol
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Petrasylvania wrote:Get a room.

7. The AFL-CIO union vowed to block then-President Ronald Reagan’s nominee Robert Bork by soiling his public reputation so badly that any Democratic senator who voted in favor of confirming him would have to explain it to his constituents. Kennedy continued this line of rhetoric in a well-known floor speech. He infamously said:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/16/10- ... -nominees/

Bork still got a confirmation hearing Alberto.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:12 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Okay, let's take a look.

Federal judgeship nominations were outright denied hearings during 2001-2003, I'll give that to you. Dick moves.

But as for the rest including Supreme Court nominations...

Filibusters. Made during confirmation hearings that were actually held.

Filibusters. Like the Republicans were more than happy to use for Obama's judicial nominees until they one day decided the Uppity Kenyan didn't even deserve that much and denied Merrick Garland a confirmation hearing.


What're your thoughts on Schumer saying he wouldn't confirm a Bush nominee to SCOTUS if one were to occur except under "extraordinary circumstances"?

This also happened more than a year before the election in 2008. Seems like McConnel just gave Schumer a taste of his own medicine lol

One vote, and plenty of Bush nominees got in soo... Bothsideism?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:13 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What're your thoughts on Schumer saying he wouldn't confirm a Bush nominee to SCOTUS if one were to occur except under "extraordinary circumstances"?

This also happened more than a year before the election in 2008. Seems like McConnel just gave Schumer a taste of his own medicine lol

One vote, and plenty of Bush nominees got in soo... Bothsideism?


Plenty of Obama nominees got in too :^]
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:13 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:How does it feel to be wrong?

How does it feel to celebrate over an internet debate like you won the Super Bowl?

I'm not celebrating anything. I just want you to get it through your fucking skull that the Democrats aren't victims and have always played dirty. They got a taste of their own medicine and now they're pissy about it, and you're a perfect representation of that.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:One vote, and plenty of Bush nominees got in soo... Bothsideism?


Plenty of Obama nominees got in too :^]

And which Republican Supreme Court nominee was denied a confirmation hearing hmm? :^]
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:15 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:How does it feel to celebrate over an internet debate like you won the Super Bowl?

I'm not celebrating anything. I just want you to get it through your fucking skull that the Democrats aren't victims and have always played dirty. They got a taste of their own medicine and now they're pissy about it, and you're a perfect representation of that.

And we go back to the original point, that it's fucking rich to expect solely the Democrats to behave when the Republicans proved being an asshole is rewarding.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:17 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Plenty of Obama nominees got in too :^]

And which Republican Supreme Court nominee was denied a confirmation hearing hmm? :^]


Thankfully none because a spot didn't open, but your side was quite open that they were going to do what McConnel did if one did :^]

So I ask again Gauth, how do you feel about that?
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:17 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:I'm not celebrating anything. I just want you to get it through your fucking skull that the Democrats aren't victims and have always played dirty. They got a taste of their own medicine and now they're pissy about it, and you're a perfect representation of that.

And we go back to the original point, that it's fucking rich to expect solely the Democrats to behave when the Republicans proved being an asshole is rewarding.

I don't expect them to behave at all. My point (which you conveniently glossed over again) is that they started the trend of blocking judicial nominees purely on ideological grounds, and now you bitch incessantly when the Republicans beat them at their own game.

Get over it. Your side has never played fair.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:And which Republican Supreme Court nominee was denied a confirmation hearing hmm? :^]


Thankfully none because a spot didn't open, but your side was quite open that they were going to do what McConnel did if one did :^]

So I ask again Gauth, how do you feel about that?

Talking about a hypothetical is just as bad as actually doing it. Ah.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:19 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thankfully none because a spot didn't open, but your side was quite open that they were going to do what McConnel did if one did :^]

So I ask again Gauth, how do you feel about that?

Talking about a hypothetical is just as bad as actually doing it. Ah.

Aren't you the one who said that the GOP totally would have done to Garland what the Dems did to Kavanaugh if he actually got a confirmation hearing?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:19 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:And we go back to the original point, that it's fucking rich to expect solely the Democrats to behave when the Republicans proved being an asshole is rewarding.

I don't expect them to behave at all. My point (which you conveniently glossed over again) is that they started the trend of blocking judicial nominees purely on ideological grounds, and now you bitch incessantly when the Republicans beat them at their own game.

Get over it. Your side has never played fair.

And you expect them to play fair when the Republicans are happy to be dirty at the drop of a dime? Yeah, big surprise.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:20 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Talking about a hypothetical is just as bad as actually doing it. Ah.

Aren't you the one who said that the GOP totally would have done to Garland what the Dems did to Kavanaugh if he actually got a confirmation hearing?

Depends on if Garland had dirty laundry, but since no hearing was held we'll never know....
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:21 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:I don't expect them to behave at all. My point (which you conveniently glossed over again) is that they started the trend of blocking judicial nominees purely on ideological grounds, and now you bitch incessantly when the Republicans beat them at their own game.

Get over it. Your side has never played fair.

And you expect them to play fair when the Republicans are happy to be dirty at the drop of a dime? Yeah, big surprise.

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Petrasylvania wrote:And we go back to the original point, that it's fucking rich to expect solely the Democrats to behave when the Republicans proved being an asshole is rewarding.

I don't expect them to behave at all. My point (which you conveniently glossed over again) is that they started the trend of blocking judicial nominees purely on ideological grounds, and now you bitch incessantly when the Republicans beat them at their own game.

Get over it. Your side has never played fair.

Reading comprehension.
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Aren't you the one who said that the GOP totally would have done to Garland what the Dems did to Kavanaugh if he actually got a confirmation hearing?

Depends on if Garland had dirty laundry, but since no hearing was held we'll never know....

Thanks for proving my point lol
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:21 pm

And now, let's talk about the key races:

McSally v Sinema - Sinema was winning, but now McSally has a slight lead. Green party's also running in Arizona, and that'll hurt Sinema. Up in Florida, Rick Scott has taken the lead, but it's within the margin of error. Florida... within the margin of error... the more things change, they more they stay the same. Nevada's still too close to call, and heavily depends on turnout. In Texas the Kavanaugh hearings put Ted Cruz over 50%. Ouch. In Tenneesee, Blackburn enjoys a comfortable lead. North Dakota's looking more and more like a Republican pick up. In Missouri, Hawley's picking up steam.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the Senate - yep. RCP's House map has 31 toss ups, as the Democrats lead the Republicans 206-198. If Republicans can win 20/31 toss ups, (quite possible,) Republicans can retain the House.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the House - we'll see in November. But if Republicans win 218 or more House seats, then yes, yes they have.
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Postby NS Miami Shores » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:31 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
NS Miami Shores wrote:7. The AFL-CIO union vowed to block then-President Ronald Reagan’s nominee Robert Bork by soiling his public reputation so badly that any Democratic senator who voted in favor of confirming him would have to explain it to his constituents. Kennedy continued this line of rhetoric in a well-known floor speech. He infamously said:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/16/10- ... -nominees/

Bork still got a confirmation hearing Alberto.

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Postby Chestaan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:46 pm

The Democrats problems are far more systemic than the Kavanaugh issue. Their position as defenders of the status quo and inability to appeal to the actual problems being faced by ordinary people are far more important issues.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:17 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:How does it feel to be wrong?

How does it feel to celebrate over an internet debate like you won the Super Bowl?
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Chestaan wrote:The Democrats problems are far more systemic than the Kavanaugh issue. Their position as defenders of the status quo and inability to appeal to the actual problems being faced by ordinary people are far more important issues.

I'd describe it as an endemic issue due to the loss of unionized jobs over the past 40 years. Without them, they can't even hold onto districts at the state level which makes it hard to produce any viable candidates.
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Chestaan wrote:The Democrats problems are far more systemic than the Kavanaugh issue. Their position as defenders of the status quo and inability to appeal to the actual problems being faced by ordinary people are far more important issues.


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Shofercia wrote:And now, let's talk about the key races:

McSally v Sinema - Sinema was winning, but now McSally has a slight lead. Green party's also running in Arizona, and that'll hurt Sinema. Up in Florida, Rick Scott has taken the lead, but it's within the margin of error. Florida... within the margin of error... the more things change, they more they stay the same. Nevada's still too close to call, and heavily depends on turnout. In Texas the Kavanaugh hearings put Ted Cruz over 50%. Ouch. In Tenneesee, Blackburn enjoys a comfortable lead. North Dakota's looking more and more like a Republican pick up. In Missouri, Hawley's picking up steam.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the Senate - yep. RCP's House map has 31 toss ups, as the Democrats lead the Republicans 206-198. If Republicans can win 20/31 toss ups, (quite possible,) Republicans can retain the House.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the House - we'll see in November. But if Republicans win 218 or more House seats, then yes, yes they have.


Democrats skeptical of Sinema will likely come back to the Sinema camp. The stakes are too high. That's what I hope for, at least. I'm more confident about Sinema's chances than I am Rosen's, Nelson's, O'Rourke's and Bredesen's.

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Shofercia wrote:And now, let's talk about the key races:

McSally v Sinema - Sinema was winning, but now McSally has a slight lead. Green party's also running in Arizona, and that'll hurt Sinema. Up in Florida, Rick Scott has taken the lead, but it's within the margin of error. Florida... within the margin of error... the more things change, they more they stay the same. Nevada's still too close to call, and heavily depends on turnout. In Texas the Kavanaugh hearings put Ted Cruz over 50%. Ouch. In Tenneesee, Blackburn enjoys a comfortable lead. North Dakota's looking more and more like a Republican pick up. In Missouri, Hawley's picking up steam.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the Senate - yep. RCP's House map has 31 toss ups, as the Democrats lead the Republicans 206-198. If Republicans can win 20/31 toss ups, (quite possible,) Republicans can retain the House.

Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

In the House - we'll see in November. But if Republicans win 218 or more House seats, then yes, yes they have.


Democrats skeptical of Sinema will likely come back to the Sinema camp. The stakes are too high. That's what I hope for, at least. I'm more confident about Sinema's chances than I am Rosen's, Nelson's, O'Rourke's and Bredesen's.

I'd even be more wary of the chances of Stabenow given the number of John James signs around Saginaw. If you see it in the historically blue counties, the GOP is energized almost as much as the Democrats are. Unless Trump has completely alienate those in Detroit's suburbs, there's no chance Stabenow wins.
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:How does it feel to be wrong?

How does it feel to celebrate over an internet debate like you won the Super Bowl?

He's not though, unless you think typing is how you celebrate winning the super bowl?
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