Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

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Kavanaugh supports mass surveillance and is against net neutrality.

Literally every judge in the country supports mass surveillance lol, the 4A has been bipartisanly gutted.

I don't disagree with you there, but why should we put yet another NSA shill on the court? Are we giving up on the 4th Amendment for good?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally every judge in the country supports mass surveillance lol, the 4A has been bipartisanly gutted.

I don't disagree with you there, but why should we put yet another NSA shill on the court? Are we giving up on the 4th Amendment for good?

We gave it up for good when the PATRIOT Act passed and then kept getting reauthorized.

[Drakeon]

Kavanaugh should have been disqualified on policy alone, the sexual assault allegations were superfluous icing on an already iced cake. It disturbs me to wonder how many Democratic Senators might have voted to confirm him had these allegations not come out. His record on the bench was more than enough to not want him anywhere near the Supreme Court.

Even if you believe that, that's why the title of this post refers to the hearings backfiring on the left. Instead of attacking his views or actual actions they ran with a 35y/o allegation with no corroborating evidence.

Time & time again the biggest enemy of the democratic party, is the democratic party.

[Vassenor]

Kavanaugh should have been disqualified on policy alone, the sexual assault allegations were superfluous icing on an already iced cake. It disturbs me to wonder how many Democratic Senators might have voted to confirm him had these allegations not come out. His record on the bench was more than enough to not want him anywhere near the Supreme Court.

Even if you believe that, that's why the title of this post refers to the hearings backfiring on the left. Instead of attacking his views or actual actions they ran with a 35y/o allegation with no corroborating evidence.

Time & time again the biggest enemy of the democratic party, is the democratic party.

If there was no corroborating evidence, why wasn't the evidence allowed to find that rather than being so intentionally limited that they couldn't even interview the accuser or accused?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Even if you believe that, that's why the title of this post refers to the hearings backfiring on the left. Instead of attacking his views or actual actions they ran with a 35y/o allegation with no corroborating evidence.

Time & time again the biggest enemy of the democratic party, is the democratic party.

If there was no corroborating evidence, why wasn't the evidence allowed to find that rather than being so intentionally limited that they couldn't even interview the accuser or accused?

The only way to do a properly proper investigation would have been to keep going past the midterms, past the next Presidential election if necessary, and if the Democrats still couldn't block then the only way to be sure would be to disembowel Kavanaugh and get the antifa augur to rearrange the entrails into the word "GUILTY" and a smiley face.

[Costa Fierro]

If there was no corroborating evidence, why wasn't the evidence allowed to find that rather than being so intentionally limited that they couldn't even interview the accuser or accused?

...because Ford and Kavanaugh had already given testimony?

[The Biggles Syndicate]

I'd say the hearings did backfire. The left totally mishandled this, and instead of being a regular trial, they were screaming at the senators, threatening others, causing a mess, and demotivating the more calmer Democrat voters to keep supporting their party. Not to mention that Trump most likely has more support for his party, and could probably have a successful midterms election. I know this isn't like me to get this political, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I don't disagree with you there, but why should we put yet another NSA shill on the court? Are we giving up on the 4th Amendment for good?

We gave it up for good when the PATRIOT Act passed and then kept getting reauthorized.

Excellent proof that most US politicians would basically use the Constitution as a Kleenex if they could.

[Valrifell]

I'd say the hearings did backfire. The left totally mishandled this, and instead of being a regular trial, they were screaming at the senators, threatening others, causing a mess, and demotivating the more calmer Democrat voters to keep supporting their party. Not to mention that Trump most likely has more support for his party, and could probably have a successful midterms election. I know this isn't like me to get this political, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.

According to 538, averages are reverting to their means. Dems chances in the House and Senate have gone back up since the Kav hearings have ended, it seems the GOP is quickly moving on after declaring universal victory.

[Zional]

Does this not incentivize false rape accusations, and/or the selection of candidates that false rape accusers prefer?

You mean that thing the Republicans said they were going to do, thus preemptively undermining any sexual assault allegation made against a Democratic candidate?

But that’s not what they did..

[Vassenor]

You mean that thing the Republicans said they were going to do, thus preemptively undermining any sexual assault allegation made against a Democratic candidate?

But that’s not what they did..

Lindsey Graham Threatens to Falsify Accusations of Assault Against Democratic Supreme Court Nominees

[Ethel mermania]

Literally every judge in the country supports mass surveillance lol, the 4A has been bipartisanly gutted.

I don't disagree with you there, but why should we put yet another NSA shill on the court? Are we giving up on the 4th Amendment for good?

Is there another Scalia out there?

[Shofercia]

Wouldn't a Democratic House and Republican Senate effectively result in total political deadlock, though?

Maybe the voters want political gridlock.

Kavanaugh should have been disqualified on policy alone, the sexual assault allegations were superfluous icing on an already iced cake. It disturbs me to wonder how many Democratic Senators might have voted to confirm him had these allegations not come out. His record on the bench was more than enough to not want him anywhere near the Supreme Court.

Kav might've been disqualified on policy alone, and I certainly wouldn't have minded that. However, the circus that followed, with Avenatti joining in, was unnecessary. It's icing on the cake for genuine leftists, like yourself, but for the other side it was a bridge too far. And the Republicans focused on that, instead of Kav's policies.

We gave it up for good when the PATRIOT Act passed and then kept getting reauthorized.

Excellent proof that most US politicians would basically use the Constitution as a Kleenex if they could.

Indeed.

[Telconi]

But that’s not what they did..

Lindsey Graham Threatens to Falsify Accusations of Assault Against Democratic Supreme Court Nominees

Democrat propaganda isn't fact.

[The Gipper]

If you're Schumer / Gillibrand or Feinstein / Harris this you can't backfire with moderate voters. Or Booker / Warren for that matter. If you look at all the senators that made the biggest stink, they are all from states where the far greater threat to their seat is from a primary challenge than from centrist voters. The New York Governor's race and current California Senate race show that. And if you look at the list of Democrat Senators, you'll realize there aren't that many people who aren't in that boat.

All of the named senators first priority (other than running for President for some of them) is staying abrasive and angry enough when dealing with the opposition to prevent an opening for a primary challenger. In that sense, there's no way the Kavanaugh hearing has backfired. The hearings have only "backfired" if you believe the Senators behind it had broadening the appeal of leftism as a top tier goal.

The Democratic party has changed a lot since Obama was elected. After 2004 they had a smaller minority but it was made up by > 10 Senators from reliably red states in Presidential elections. That forced leadership to be a little more sensitive to what moderates were feeling, because there were so many individual senators that won races by winning over moderates. If you look at the makeup of the Democratic minority now, there are far far fewer Senators motivated to keep their head down in hearings like this, and a lot of them that are still left are being written off this go around.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Wouldn't a Democratic House and Republican Senate effectively result in total political deadlock, though?

Maybe the voters want political gridlock.

Kavanaugh should have been disqualified on policy alone, the sexual assault allegations were superfluous icing on an already iced cake. It disturbs me to wonder how many Democratic Senators might have voted to confirm him had these allegations not come out. His record on the bench was more than enough to not want him anywhere near the Supreme Court.

Kav might've been disqualified on policy alone, and I certainly wouldn't have minded that. However, the circus that followed, with Avenatti joining in, was unnecessary. It's icing on the cake for genuine leftists, like yourself, but for the other side it was a bridge too far. And the Republicans focused on that, instead of Kav's policies.

Excellent proof that most US politicians would basically use the Constitution as a Kleenex if they could.

Indeed.

If voters actually want political deadlock, then they have clearly shown that their beloved republic is worthless as a functioning government.

[Valrifell]

Maybe the voters want political gridlock.




Kav might've been disqualified on policy alone, and I certainly wouldn't have minded that. However, the circus that followed, with Avenatti joining in, was unnecessary. It's icing on the cake for genuine leftists, like yourself, but for the other side it was a bridge too far. And the Republicans focused on that, instead of Kav's policies.




Indeed.

If voters actually want political deadlock, then they have clearly shown that their beloved republic is worthless as a functioning government.

They don't want gridlock, they want compromise and conversation of ideas. That the two major parties have managed to play the game to win more by stonewalling the other is not the fault of the electorate.

[Uxupox]

I don't disagree with you there, but why should we put yet another NSA shill on the court? Are we giving up on the 4th Amendment for good?

We gave it up for good when the PATRIOT Act passed and then kept getting reauthorized.

not even reauthorized by bipartisanship it got even stronger through the years.

[Shofercia]

If voters actually want political deadlock, then they have clearly shown that their beloved republic is worthless as a functioning government.

Not really. The Executive will still function, as will the Judiciary, as will the local governments. To quote Mark Twain:

"Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself... No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."

If Congress is gridlocked, the people might end up getting some version of bipartisanship back.

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We gave it up for good when the PATRIOT Act passed and then kept getting reauthorized.

not even reauthorized by bipartisanship it got even stronger through the years.

Whenever Republicans and Democrats are in agreement about something, it's usually to destroy more of our liberties.

If Congress is gridlocked, the people might end up getting some version of bipartisanship back.

I don't want bipartisanship back. Republicans and Democrats work together on mass surveillance, unjust wars, increasing the military budget, oppressive drug laws, oppressive copyright laws, and giving more power to bureaucracy. I'm glad when there's gridlock, it means freedom is dying less quickly.

[Kaggeceria]

But that’s not what they did..

Lindsey Graham Threatens to Falsify Accusations of Assault Against Democratic Supreme Court Nominees

>checks headline
>checks source

[Myrensis]

If you're Schumer / Gillibrand or Feinstein / Harris this you can't backfire with moderate voters. Or Booker / Warren for that matter. If you look at all the senators that made the biggest stink, they are all from states where the far greater threat to their seat is from a primary challenge than from centrist voters. The New York Governor's race and current California Senate race show that. And if you look at the list of Democrat Senators, you'll realize there aren't that many people who aren't in that boat.

All of the named senators first priority (other than running for President for some of them) is staying abrasive and angry enough when dealing with the opposition to prevent an opening for a primary challenger. In that sense, there's no way the Kavanaugh hearing has backfired. The hearings have only "backfired" if you believe the Senators behind it had broadening the appeal of leftism as a top tier goal.

The Democratic party has changed a lot since Obama was elected. After 2004 they had a smaller minority but it was made up by > 10 Senators from reliably red states in Presidential elections. That forced leadership to be a little more sensitive to what moderates were feeling, because there were so many individual senators that won races by winning over moderates. If you look at the makeup of the Democratic minority now, there are far far fewer Senators motivated to keep their head down in hearings like this, and a lot of them that are still left are being written off this go around.

If that were true the GOP would be extinct outside of blood red states as they've spent the last decade or so pandering exclusively to their far right base. Moderates are jellyfish, if they're polled or asked about they'll of course blubber the proper answer about how they want civility and conversation back in politics, but when voting time comes, they go out and vote for the assholes who are actually ramming their agenda through by any means necessary, not the guys wringing their hands ineffectually and calling for bipartisanship and compromise.

All that's really happened is after 8 years of extending their hands only to get spit in their faces, followed up by the election of Donald Trump, Democrats finally seem to have caught on to that fact.

[Idzequitch]

Here's the thing. The Kavanaugh hearings were not about Brett Kavanaugh. They were not about Dr. Ford. They were not about sexual assault or any form of misconduct. This was just the smokescreen for the left-wing vs right-wing war that has been escalating for years. This was almost exclusively about political point scoring. So the end result was, the Democrats left defeated, with an unearned sense of moral superiority and the Republicans left with their noses in the air, unconcerned about how this whole situation affected anyone as long as they got their conservative justice. So basically, both sides came out more polarized than they went in. Which is concerning considering that the vast majority went in polarized enough to vote with their party, regardless of any findings of the hearing or ensuing investigation.

So no, this didn't backfire. It made Democrats more sure they're being persecuted by Republicans, it made Republicans more sure they're being persecuted by Democrats, and it made people who take neither side even more sick of both parties and their bullcrap.

[Telconi]

If you're Schumer / Gillibrand or Feinstein / Harris this you can't backfire with moderate voters. Or Booker / Warren for that matter. If you look at all the senators that made the biggest stink, they are all from states where the far greater threat to their seat is from a primary challenge than from centrist voters. The New York Governor's race and current California Senate race show that. And if you look at the list of Democrat Senators, you'll realize there aren't that many people who aren't in that boat.

All of the named senators first priority (other than running for President for some of them) is staying abrasive and angry enough when dealing with the opposition to prevent an opening for a primary challenger. In that sense, there's no way the Kavanaugh hearing has backfired. The hearings have only "backfired" if you believe the Senators behind it had broadening the appeal of leftism as a top tier goal.

The Democratic party has changed a lot since Obama was elected. After 2004 they had a smaller minority but it was made up by > 10 Senators from reliably red states in Presidential elections. That forced leadership to be a little more sensitive to what moderates were feeling, because there were so many individual senators that won races by winning over moderates. If you look at the makeup of the Democratic minority now, there are far far fewer Senators motivated to keep their head down in hearings like this, and a lot of them that are still left are being written off this go around.

If that were true the GOP would be extinct outside of blood red states as they've spent the last decade or so pandering exclusively to their far right base. Moderates are jellyfish, if they're polled or asked about they'll of course blubber the proper answer about how they want civility and conversation back in politics, but when voting time comes, they go out and vote for the assholes who are actually ramming their agenda through by any means necessary, not the guys wringing their hands ineffectually and calling for bipartisanship and compromise.

All that's really happened is after 8 years of extending their hands only to get spit in their faces, followed up by the election of Donald Trump, Democrats finally seem to have caught on to that fact.

>8 years of extending their hands...

I thought alternative facts were bad Myrensis...

[Shofercia]

If you're Schumer / Gillibrand or Feinstein / Harris this you can't backfire with moderate voters. Or Booker / Warren for that matter. If you look at all the senators that made the biggest stink, they are all from states where the far greater threat to their seat is from a primary challenge than from centrist voters. The New York Governor's race and current California Senate race show that. And if you look at the list of Democrat Senators, you'll realize there aren't that many people who aren't in that boat.

All of the named senators first priority (other than running for President for some of them) is staying abrasive and angry enough when dealing with the opposition to prevent an opening for a primary challenger. In that sense, there's no way the Kavanaugh hearing has backfired. The hearings have only "backfired" if you believe the Senators behind it had broadening the appeal of leftism as a top tier goal.

The Democratic party has changed a lot since Obama was elected. After 2004 they had a smaller minority but it was made up by > 10 Senators from reliably red states in Presidential elections. That forced leadership to be a little more sensitive to what moderates were feeling, because there were so many individual senators that won races by winning over moderates. If you look at the makeup of the Democratic minority now, there are far far fewer Senators motivated to keep their head down in hearings like this, and a lot of them that are still left are being written off this go around.

If that were true the GOP would be extinct outside of blood red states as they've spent the last decade or so pandering exclusively to their far right base. Moderates are jellyfish, if they're polled or asked about they'll of course blubber the proper answer about how they want civility and conversation back in politics, but when voting time comes, they go out and vote for the assholes who are actually ramming their agenda through by any means necessary, not the guys wringing their hands ineffectually and calling for bipartisanship and compromise.

All that's really happened is after 8 years of extending their hands only to get spit in their faces, followed up by the election of Donald Trump, Democrats finally seem to have caught on to that fact.

Speaking as a moderate, with a ton of moderate friends/acquaintances, we vote for whomever is fiscally best for us. Obamacare was expensive. Trump's tax cuts were beneficial. As Carville said - it's the economy