Million-pound Banksy painting gets shredded.

[Ostrov Svobody]

Not employable by me. And theirs hobbies that are actually worth doing.

That is patently ludicrous. Humans aren't cogs without feeling, and being devoted entirely to work is antithetical to our livelihood. We are higher thinkers than that.

[Right wing humour squad]

Not employable by me. And theirs hobbies that are actually worth doing.

That is patently ludicrous. Humans aren't cogs without feeling, and being devoted entirely to work is antithetical to our livelihood. We are higher thinkers than that.

Being devoted to self improvement and using work as the competitive arena to test it is the highest thinking afaic

[Ostrov Svobody]

Being devoted to self improvement and using work as the competitive arena to test it is the highest thinking afaic

Self improvement isn't binary. The competitive arena isn't binary and unchanging, nor are the qualities required therein.

And besides, my contention, laid out earlier, is that a lot of ethos, cultural ideals, and hell - even our way of living are influenced heavily by things you'd deem a "Waste of time" with such a broad brush. I don't know you personally, so, obviously, I cannot authoritatively state what you do or don't do. But if everything that wasn't strictly educational was excised from our histories tomorrow, the world that gives you this platform to express this wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't be doing /this/ right now.

[Right wing humour squad]

Being devoted to self improvement and using work as the competitive arena to test it is the highest thinking afaic

Self improvement isn't binary. The competitive arena isn't binary and unchanging, nor are the qualities required therein.

And besides, my contention, laid out earlier, is that a lot of ethos, cultural ideals, and hell - even our way of living are influenced heavily by things you'd deem a "Waste of time" with such a broad brush. I don't know you personally, so, obviously, I cannot authoritatively state what you do or don't do. But if everything that wasn't strictly educational was excised from our histories tomorrow, the world that gives you this platform to express this wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't be doing /this/ right now.

I’m not certain where you get the idea of binary from.

[Ostrov Svobody]

I’m not certain where you get the idea of binary from.

Your definition of self-improvement, and what qualifies it isn't necessarily the same between everybody else. That's what I mean by 'binary'. You're treating it as a universal constant.

And as to my greater point, your (presumably, correct me if I'm wrong) individualistic-oriented ideals were spurred on by the Romanticism period of art, along with many other cultural factors that grew around it. We derive and discuss many morals through our various forms of media, and disseminate tough subjects of the human condition.

It's not all reality television and ritzy people with too much money to burn.

EDIT: Edited out an error in my words.

[Right wing humour squad]

I’m not certain where you get the idea of binary from.

Your definition of self-improvement, and what qualifies it isn't necessarily the same between everybody else. That's what I mean by 'binary'. You're treating it as a universal constant.

And as to my greater point, your (presumably, correct me if I'm wrong) individualistic-oriented, work-oriented ideals were spurred on by the Romanticism period of art, along with many other cultural factors that grew around it. We derive and discuss many morals through our various forms of media, and disseminate tough subjects of the human condition.

It's not all reality television and ritzy people with too much money to burn.

Oh I definitely see productivity as a universal constant for good.

I’m not educated much past basic literacy, so I have no idea what you’re talking about here.

[Ostrov Svobody]

Your definition of self-improvement, and what qualifies it isn't necessarily the same between everybody else. That's what I mean by 'binary'. You're treating it as a universal constant.

And as to my greater point, your (presumably, correct me if I'm wrong) individualistic-oriented, work-oriented ideals were spurred on by the Romanticism period of art, along with many other cultural factors that grew around it. We derive and discuss many morals through our various forms of media, and disseminate tough subjects of the human condition.

It's not all reality television and ritzy people with too much money to burn.

Oh I definitely see productivity as a universal constant for good.

I’m not educated much past basic literacy, so I have no idea what you’re talking about here.

Fair enough, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything of that nature.

Productivity, also, is not something you can assign to /one/ meaning. Is it simply economical throughput?

[Right wing humour squad]

Oh I definitely see productivity as a universal constant for good.

I’m not educated much past basic literacy, so I have no idea what you’re talking about here.

Fair enough, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything of that nature.

Productivity, also, is not something you can assign to /one/ meaning. Is it simply economical throughput?

Largely yes. But I have a near spiritual faith, in productivity and competition. Nothing makes the world a better place than the two.

[Ostrov Svobody]

Fair enough, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything of that nature.

Productivity, also, is not something you can assign to /one/ meaning. Is it simply economical throughput?

Largely yes. But I have a near spiritual faith, in productivity and competition. Nothing makes the world a better place than the two.

Then I'd have to disagree.

While the industrial revolution across the world, and the capitalistic fervor that followed were definitely net benefits for the world, we did not simply speed up a process. There is a cultural, and artistic aspect in almost everything. Our cars, our clothes, our books, television, movies, etc. If we were merely productive, we wouldn't be individuals with a propensity for free thought - we'd be productive in insular pockets, and competitive with the other wild animals.

It's easy to view a few dribblings on a canvas, or this stunt as a 'waste of time', sure. But art in general? I think your view on it is a little myopic.

[Valentine Z]

Art is a subjective thing, to be honest. It all depends on who is going to pay a million pounds (or a million kilograms ) for a piece of art.

It's like that Jackson Pollack art that was initially deemed as a piece of junk and maybe only worth $5... until it was from the name alone that ramped that up to a nice $9 million (offered by one Saudi buyer).

The artpiece in question?

[Right wing humour squad]

Largely yes. But I have a near spiritual faith, in productivity and competition. Nothing makes the world a better place than the two.

Then I'd have to disagree.

While the industrial revolution across the world, and the capitalistic fervor that followed were definitely net benefits for the world, we did not simply speed up a process. There is a cultural, and artistic aspect in almost everything. Our cars, our clothes, our books, television, movies, etc. If we were merely productive, we wouldn't be individuals with a propensity for free thought - we'd be productive in insular pockets, and competitive with the other wild animals.

It's easy to view a few dribblings on a canvas, or this stunt as a 'waste of time', sure. But art in general? I think your view on it is a little myopic.

Yeah I’m going to need your definition of individual and free thought here.

I would say there wasn’t a process before capitalism. It was a consistent authoritarian shit show, with little actual variety.

As for the cultural side, I’m going to go with the artistic part actually slows down measurable improvement, when compared with pure practicality.

[The New California Republic]

*Trollface*

[Infected Mushroom]

Nah. Art is awesome.

There's just no need for the ridiculously inflated prices with big name artists. I actually like Banksy's work, but even if I had a million pounds, I'd never spend it on that. It's just a ridiculous amount to spend on something like that when there are millions of other pieces of artwork in the world, and you can easily find a nifty piece by a less famous artist that costs a few hundred pounds instead of a million. Of course, that's kind of the point of a prank like this, pointing out how silly the high end art market is. It doesn't mean art isn't worthwhile, or even that Banksy's art isn't worthwhile, just that some people are pretentious twits that overpay for things. It's no different than people who buy overpriced clothes because of the brand. Doesn't prove that clothes are a waste of time, just proves there are people who have more money than sense.

Nah art is a waste of time.

The only good thing about it is it’s a clear sign of who to never employ.

Oh no

Gasp!

[Isilanka]

Hey, you know a human activity that's totally useless and actively detrimental to human advancement and progress ?
War.
You'll get back to me with ramblings about how art is useless when the world's military budget is divided by 100 and tank divisions cost less than paintings - for starters.

Anyway, to the matter at hand, I'm not necessarily a Bansky fan, but I love what he did there.

[Right wing humour squad]

Hey, you know a human activity that's totally useless and actively detrimental to human advancement and progress ?
War.
You'll get back to me with ramblings about how art is useless when the world's military budget is divided by 100 - for starters.

Anyway, to the matter at hand, I'm not necessarily a Bansky fan, but I love what he did there.

God I wish factories went 24/7.

[Isilanka]

Hey, you know a human activity that's totally useless and actively detrimental to human advancement and progress ?
War.
You'll get back to me with ramblings about how art is useless when the world's military budget is divided by 100 - for starters.

Anyway, to the matter at hand, I'm not necessarily a Bansky fan, but I love what he did there.

God I wish factories went 24/7.

Woops, sorry, I sneakily edited my post because I deemed the first one a tad too exaggerated.
I mean, you want Earth to become a Warhammer 40K Forgeworld, that's your problem. I'll keep my dysfunctional, non-optimized but still human world, thank you very much.

[Right wing humour squad]

God I wish factories went 24/7.

Woops, sorry, I sneakily edited my post because I deemed the first one a tad too exaggerated.
I mean, you want Earth to become a Warhammer 40K Forgeworld, that's your problem. I'll keep my dysfunctional, non-optimized but still human world, thank you very much.

A whatnow?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hah, never been a huge Banksy person, but this amused me.

Woops, sorry, I sneakily edited my post because I deemed the first one a tad too exaggerated.
I mean, you want Earth to become a Warhammer 40K Forgeworld, that's your problem. I'll keep my dysfunctional, non-optimized but still human world, thank you very much.

A whatnow?

Forge world.

Its a planet that has a giant factory complex covering most of, if not all of its landscape.

Some times several complexes, each having billions and billions of workers.

[Right wing humour squad]

Hah, never been a huge Banksy person, but this amused me.

A whatnow?

Forge world.

Its a planet that has a giant factory complex covering most of, if not all of its landscape.

Some times several complexes, each having billions and billions of workers.

Heh knowing what I know of 40k is probably some dystopian hellscape instead of the pinnacle of human existence it would actually be.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hah, never been a huge Banksy person, but this amused me.


Forge world.

Its a planet that has a giant factory complex covering most of, if not all of its landscape.

Some times several complexes, each having billions and billions of workers.

Heh knowing what I know of 40k is probably some dystopian hellscape instead of the pinnacle of human existence it would actually be.

Yes Pretty much

[The Holy Therns]

Nah. Art is awesome.

There's just no need for the ridiculously inflated prices with big name artists. I actually like Banksy's work, but even if I had a million pounds, I'd never spend it on that. It's just a ridiculous amount to spend on something like that when there are millions of other pieces of artwork in the world, and you can easily find a nifty piece by a less famous artist that costs a few hundred pounds instead of a million. Of course, that's kind of the point of a prank like this, pointing out how silly the high end art market is. It doesn't mean art isn't worthwhile, or even that Banksy's art isn't worthwhile, just that some people are pretentious twits that overpay for things. It's no different than people who buy overpriced clothes because of the brand. Doesn't prove that clothes are a waste of time, just proves there are people who have more money than sense.

Nah art is a waste of time.

The only good thing about it is it’s a clear sign of who to never employ.

Don't try your luck as an investor.

[Right wing humour squad]

Nah art is a waste of time.

The only good thing about it is it’s a clear sign of who to never employ.

Don't try your luck as an investor.

Ha I hire someone for that!

[Isilanka]

Heh knowing what I know of 40k is probably some dystopian hellscape instead of the pinnacle of human existence it would actually be.

Yes Pretty much

What's weird is to think that a society that's only focused on producing goods at peak efficiency can produce something that doesn't look like a 40K Forge world.

[The New California Republic]

art is a waste of time.

Don't try your luck as an investor.

Ironically, saying that "art is a waste of time" is using an awfully broad brush.

Puns aside, the philistinism being exhibited here is shocking.

[The South Falls]

It's kinda funny, and smart.


It also raises the value of this painting through its notoriety.