Forget Russian Meddling

[Thermodolia]

lol

"ref didn't see it, we can be scum bags guys"

Not sure what you're trying to say here. If a ref sees a legal play then it's a legal play. If he doesn't see an illegal play then it's still an illegal play.

Was what they did illegal?

No if the ref didn’t see an illegal play it’s automatically legal because he didn’t see it

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

and when Bernie Sanders bring up campaign finances reform

The democrats go silent

The republicans go silent

The moderator goes to commercial break.

Look it's no secret the republicans, democrats, and even senator Sanders are corrupt. The populace is either too stupid to address problems or cannot get to the point where they are allowed to do so. The system is broken akin to ancient Rome republic pre sulla.

[Fartsniffage]

Not sure what you're trying to say here. If a ref sees a legal play then it's a legal play. If he doesn't see an illegal play then it's still an illegal play.

Was what they did illegal?

No if the ref didn’t see an illegal play it’s automatically legal because he didn’t see it

Bullshit.

[Cedoria]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dem-super-pac-meddled-in-arizona-republican-primary-using-new-dark-money-tactic/ar-AAAASTy?li=BBnbfcL

Just found this gem of a story on MSN and read it through. Turns out a bunch of democrats formed a super PAC a month before the election in several states in order to hide their donors and meddle in the Republican races. I think a special Council is in order. I find it ironic that the democrats blame Russian meddling for Hillary losing the 2016 presidential election yet here we are almost two years later and now there meddling. I'm pretty sure none of the democrats have heard the saying "pot calling the kettle black"

So what do you think?

If they weren't treasonably collaborating with a foreign power, then the comparison is moot.

What's the point here, that Democrats try to use fundraising laws to their advantage? In other words, water is wet, the Pope is Catholic and Franco is still dead.

[New haven america]

So... The Dems did something perfectly legal in order to campaign against the Reps?

Just like the Republicans have done as well?

This is just business as usual, from the looks of it.

Now, if they were collaborating with a foreign power, then there would be an issue. But both sides have been doing corrupt shit like this for years now, what's new?

[Valrifell]

and when Bernie Sanders bring up campaign finances reform

The democrats go silent

The republicans go silent

The moderator goes to commercial break.

Look it's no secret the republicans, democrats, and even senator Sanders are corrupt. The populace is either too stupid to address problems or cannot get to the point where they are allowed to do so. The system is broken akin to ancient Rome republic pre sulla.

The system isn't even as broken as Gilded Age America, let alone "Politicians literally running gangs to beat the shit out of political opponents and dissenters" broken.

[Petrasylvania]

So... The Dems did something perfectly legal in order to campaign against the Reps?

Just like the Republicans have done as well?

This is just business as usual, from the looks of it.

Now, if they were collaborating with a foreign power, then there would be an issue. But both sides have been doing corrupt shit like this for years now, what's new?

But hey, anything to dismiss or minimize the gravity of actual Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

[The 2nd Chinese Republic]

Ok Stalin.

I don't think he means send them to gulags or kill them. Rather try them in court and jail them. We can make some space for them after we release non violent prisoners only charged with possession of marijuana.

Good job of always thinking the worse though.

Why don't we instead order a mass dismissal and reformation of Congress? We ban all political parties and instead install a mass representative parliamentary-style government? Much more representative and open-minded, though slightly more ineffecient.

[Farnhamia]

I don't think he means send them to gulags or kill them. Rather try them in court and jail them. We can make some space for them after we release non violent prisoners only charged with possession of marijuana.

Good job of always thinking the worse though.

Why don't we instead order a mass dismissal and reformation of Congress? We ban all political parties and instead install a mass representative parliamentary-style government? Much more representative and open-minded, though slightly more ineffecient.

We have a procedure for that, it's called amending the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_F ... nstitution

[Internationalist Bastard]

I don't think he means send them to gulags or kill them. Rather try them in court and jail them. We can make some space for them after we release non violent prisoners only charged with possession of marijuana.

Good job of always thinking the worse though.

Why don't we instead order a mass dismissal and reformation of Congress? We ban all political parties and instead install a mass representative parliamentary-style government? Much more representative and open-minded, though slightly more ineffecient.

We’ll never get rid of parties. Especially not in a representative system

[Kaggeceria]

Is anything they did illegal?

We need a Special Counsel to find out.

[USS Monitor]

So what do you think?

I think you might dislocate something if you reached any harder.

[Gig em Aggies]

So what do you think?

I think you might dislocate something if you reached any harder.

Nah I got pretty long arms.

[Valrifell]

Is anything they did illegal?

We need a Special Counsel to find out.

Eh, its fine. Dems should be used to investigations-as-smear campaigns by now.

[Ifreann]

We need a Special Counsel to find out.

Eh, its fine. Dems should be used to investigations-as-smear campaigns by now.

And after the first investigation finds nothing juicy enough, have ten more investigations.

[Big Jim P]

That's very true. It's still very hard to believe news crews and journalists anymore than politicians anymore. Both are starting to become extremely corrupt and biased.

They're not starting, they're just getting worse at concealing it.

They're not even trying anymore.

[Shofercia]

Both parties set the playing field. Deliberately lying to support unelectable candidates in the primaries, is a dirty, dirty, dirty tactic. If the Republicans stooped to the same level, they also deserve this kind of ridicule. This is like hitting below the belt in WWE. Even though it's fake wrestling, that's still fucked up.

How did they deliberately lie?

Let's say that you're a salesman for Coca Cola. You knock on the door, wearing the clothes of a Pepsi Cola salesman, and you say: "I'm so ashamed of my product. I know I gotta make money selling Pepsi, but Coke is so much better in every way. So I'm not going to sell you Pepsi - and I'd recommend you buy Coke. Here are some order forms."

You can argue that's technically not a lie, but when a PAC is called Red and Gold, and the PAC's premise is to weaken the other party by lying through implication, i.e. implying that they're Republican supporters when they're Democratic mega donors, that's fucked up. Something tells me that if the Republicans started a PAC called Blue Progressives in the Rust Belt states, with the sole purpose of getting unelectable Democratic candidates through the primaries, quite a few Democrats would be screaming for an investigation.

So... The Dems did something perfectly legal in order to campaign against the Reps?

Just like the Republicans have done as well?

This is just business as usual, from the looks of it.

Now, if they were collaborating with a foreign power, then there would be an issue. But both sides have been doing corrupt shit like this for years now, what's new?

But hey, anything to dismiss or minimize the gravity of actual Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

Trump says dumb thing. Someone, that may or may not be affiliated with Russia, leaks proof of Clinton's corruption. Democrats scream "COLLUSION!"

Is anything they did illegal?

We need a Special Counsel to find out.

[Valrifell]

That's very true. It's still very hard to believe news crews and journalists anymore than politicians anymore. Both are starting to become extremely corrupt and biased.

They're not starting, they're just getting worse at concealing it.

Consider:

reporters are right, you are wrong.

[Ifreann]

They're not starting, they're just getting worse at concealing it.

Consider:

reporters are right, you are wrong.

No, all reporters are fake news, it said so on Breitbart.

[Dahon]

Consider:

reporters are right, you are wrong.

No, all reporters are fake news, it said so on Breitbart.

If only Breitbart would just extend its logic and call itself fake news...

[Uxupox]

The Democratic Party and the Republic party are both steeped and currently drowning in corruption, news at 11.

[Ifreann]

The Democratic Party and the Republic party are both steeped and currently drowning in corruption, news at 11.

Democrats do entirely legal thing entirely legally.
Steadily increasing numbers of Republicans involved in the Trump campaign are getting convicted of crimes.

Both the same.

[Dahon]

Can the people who like neither Trump nor Republicans and deplore the current political morass the United States is facing at least stop being partisan hacks and recognize that while in all likelihood this shit is technically legal, this is most certainly not ethical, and no amount of "yeah, well, you GOP dipshits, you wrecked campaign finance reform, now get astroturfed" whatabouting will make it all go away?

Acknowledge that, at the very least.

[Valrifell]

Can the people who like neither Trump nor Republicans and deplore the current political morass the United States is facing at least stop being partisan hacks and recognize that while in all likelihood this shit is technically legal, this is most certainly not ethical, and no amount of "yeah, well, you GOP dipshits, you wrecked campaign finance reform, now get astroturfed" whatabouting will make it all go away?

Acknowledge that, at the very least.

Now where's the fun in that?

[Uxupox]

The Democratic Party and the Republic party are both steeped and currently drowning in corruption, news at 11.

Democrats do entirely legal thing entirely legally.
Steadily increasing numbers of Republicans involved in the Trump campaign are getting convicted of crimes.

Both the same.

Damn right.