San Francisco mass exodus

[Grand Britannia]

Yeah who needs ships and planes when you can swim and flap your arms.

I meant for the military. Slash their budget and use the money spend on ships and planes we don't need and invest in public housing.

Yeah who needs a military now a days amirite.

We're all just one big happy world.

[The Serbian Empire]

I blame California's terrain and propensity to mudslides and fires. This would never happen in Peoria, Illinois without massive job losses. Why? Look at the geography around Peoria. Humans living in places that weren't meant to house millions of people causes this.

[Kramanica]

That's stupid.

No its not. Housing should be a right not something only the rich can afford.

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

[The Serbian Empire]

The problem is that property developers want to build luxury housing. You can't stop them.

Yes you can. Simply don't approve the permit to build. That simple.

Ever heard of bribery? These luxury developers could hand city workers a year's salary without harming the bottom line. Municipal workers aren't paid enough to not consider bribes in a city as costly to live in as San Francisco.

[Kramanica]

Yeah who needs ships and planes when you can swim and flap your arms.

I meant for the military. Slash their budget and use the money spend on ships and planes we don't need and invest in public housing.

The air force has to cannibalize planes and the navy has also been shrinking for decades now.

[The Black Forrest]

No its not. Housing should be a right not something only the rich can afford.

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

cheap apartments? We talking the same state?

[San Lumen]

I meant for the military. Slash their budget and use the money spend on ships and planes we don't need and invest in public housing.

Yeah who needs a military now a days amirite.

We're all just one big happy world.

I don't recall saying that. I said slash he money we waste on military equipment we don't need and invest in public housing. I said nothing about getting rid of the military entirely

[Kramanica]

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

cheap apartments? We talking the same state?

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

[Ethel mermania]

I blame California's terrain and propensity to mudslides and fires. This would never happen in Peoria, Illinois without massive job losses. Why? Look at the geography around Peoria. Humans living in places that weren't meant to house millions of people causes this.

the land in the silicon valley corridor is limited till you get past san jose. lots of parks and ocean, which is another thing that makes it so desirable to live there

[Grand Britannia]

Yeah who needs a military now a days amirite.

We're all just one big happy world.

I don't recall saying that. I said slash he money we waste on military equipment we don't need and invest in public housing. I said nothing about getting rid of the military entirely

Turns out the military also needs investment to actually be useful, too :thinking:

[Ethel mermania]

cheap apartments? We talking the same state?

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

depends where in CA, sacramento and fresno are reasonably priced. i wouldnt want to live there but its affordable

[The Black Forrest]

cheap apartments? We talking the same state?

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

*shrugs* fallout from having big companies and three great universities.

[San Lumen]

No its not. Housing should be a right not something only the rich can afford.

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

Everything shouldn't be about making a profit. There is a massive shortage of affordable housing in my city and others.

Housing prices are skyrocketing in many places as well. Many cannot afford to own a home and soon renting will be hard for many as well.

[MERIZoC]

Housing crises are something cities all around the world need to address. Seize high end and vacant apartments, create more public housing, curtail urban sprawl, etc.

People always want to seize things that don't belong to them.

I see you're finally getting woke to capitalism

And public housing has been and always will be a disaster.

There have been failures in public housing because of a lack of proper funding for upkeep and infrastructure. If you half-ass something, of course it's going to fail. Nowadays, the problem is that instead of public housing, it's government-subsidized private housing, which leaves all sorts of room for abuse.

Alternatively, or rather, ideally, turn apartments into housing cooperatives. I live near one, and it works well. Rents are kept much lower than other parts of the city because there's no need to turn a profit margin for a landlord.

[San Lumen]

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

depends where in CA, sacramento and fresno are reasonably priced. i wouldnt want to live there but its affordable

And then rent well skyrocket there to as there is an influx so landlords and developers can make more money as its all about profit.

[San Lumen]

People always want to seize things that don't belong to them.

I see you're finally getting woke to capitalism

And public housing has been and always will be a disaster.

There have been failures in public housing because of a lack of proper funding for upkeep and infrastructure. If you half-ass something, of course it's going to fail. Nowadays, the problem is that instead of public housing, it's government-subsidized private housing, which leaves all sorts of room for abuse.

Alternatively, or rather, ideally, turn apartments into housing cooperatives. I live near one, and it works well. Rents are kept much lower than other parts of the city because there's no need to turn a profit margin for a landlord.

I don't know why we can't build more of that.

[The Serbian Empire]

I blame California's terrain and propensity to mudslides and fires. This would never happen in Peoria, Illinois without massive job losses. Why? Look at the geography around Peoria. Humans living in places that weren't meant to house millions of people causes this.

the land in the silicon valley corridor is limited till you get past san jose. lots of parks and ocean, which is another thing that makes it so desirable to live there

It's simply too prone to land slides to safely build in half of the area. At this point, Silicon Valley is too successful for it's own good.

[MERIZoC]

No its not. Housing should be a right not something only the rich can afford.

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

Did....did you read your OP?

[The Corparation]

cheap apartments? We talking the same state?

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

Being the birthplace and key location for multiple multibillion dollar companies is hardly stupidity.

Maybe not California, but elsewhere. California's stupidity is it's own product.

depends where in CA, sacramento and fresno are reasonably priced. i wouldnt want to live there but its affordable

The cost of rent in Fresno is not reasonable. You still have to pay rent to live there. Nobody should ever have to pay to live in Fresno.

[Darussalam]

Cool because I said nothing of the kind

You were implying people moving into cities made them those states more liberal.

Only insofar that liberal cities are becoming larger. I said nothing about the governments themselves. Overall I don't think there's a positive causation between Democratic liberalism and HDI, but I think there's certainly some correlation between urbanization and HDI. Not that it's particularly relevant - I completely support urbanism but half of HDI is basically a measure of "How Scandinavian you are" anyway

[Nouveau Yathrib]

That's stupid.

No its not. Housing should be a right not something only the rich can afford.

Rent control doesn't help with this, unfortunately.

I see you're finally getting woke to capitalism


There have been failures in public housing because of a lack of proper funding for upkeep and infrastructure. If you half-ass something, of course it's going to fail. Nowadays, the problem is that instead of public housing, it's government-subsidized private housing, which leaves all sorts of room for abuse.

Alternatively, or rather, ideally, turn apartments into housing cooperatives. I live near one, and it works well. Rents are kept much lower than other parts of the city because there's no need to turn a profit margin for a landlord.

I don't know why we can't build more of that.

Not everyone is as open to living in one as you or me. Also these kinds of infrastructure changes don't happen overnight.

[MERIZoC]

I see you're finally getting woke to capitalism


There have been failures in public housing because of a lack of proper funding for upkeep and infrastructure. If you half-ass something, of course it's going to fail. Nowadays, the problem is that instead of public housing, it's government-subsidized private housing, which leaves all sorts of room for abuse.

Alternatively, or rather, ideally, turn apartments into housing cooperatives. I live near one, and it works well. Rents are kept much lower than other parts of the city because there's no need to turn a profit margin for a landlord.

I don't know why we can't build more of that.

Building more is one part, but from what I know, just taking what's there already would be sufficient in a lot of cases. I can't speak to SF, but in cities like Auckland and Vancouver, tons of apartments go empty, just sitting there as speculative investments for Chinese millionaires. Seize those apartments, give them to people who need them.

[New haven america]

I meant for the military. Slash their budget and use the money spend on ships and planes we don't need and invest in public housing.

Yeah who needs a military now a days amirite.

We're all just one big happy world.

If we cut the US military budget in half we'd still be spending as much if not more than China, the 2nd highest military spender in world, does.

They don't need all the money they claim they do. I've talked to multiple soldiers, sailors, arimen, etc... both IRL and online and they all agree that a good chuck of that budget is being wasted on things they don't need.

[Kramanica]

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

Everything shouldn't be about making a profit. There is a massive shortage of affordable housing in my city and others.

Housing prices are skyrocketing in many places as well. Many cannot afford to own a home and soon renting will be hard for many as well.

Then move out of the city.

If your landlord isn't making a profit the he won't be able to hold on to your apartment. And guess what happens then? You're out on your ass.

[Kramanica]

Plenty of people besides the rich can afford a house. There isn't a shortage of cheap apartments like holy shit. And arbitrarily limiting how much money you can charge for rent just means you're trying to limit the landlord's revenue. And contrary to popular belief not all landlords are millionaire slumlords.

Did....did you read your OP?

I'm talking about outside of San Francsico.