Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Kubra]

It has, however, never exchanged christian vows, except within its christian community. Funny thing, it's not part of chinese traditions.
So I can only assume insufficient popery

"Christian" vows are a continuation of older traditions. Christianity is beside the point.

Every culture with more than a handful of members has had enforceable marriage. Because the wages is sin is death (not going to hell).

But there is no eastern hell
Yeah except since the Tang dynasty the Chinese got one get-out-of-marriage free card
But in any case, I can see why the previous forms of marriage are so appealing to you. It appears to be quite on a personal level.

[HMS Barham]

"Christian" vows are a continuation of older traditions. Christianity is beside the point.

Every culture with more than a handful of members has had enforceable marriage. Because the wages is sin is death (not going to hell).

But there is no eastern hell
Yeah except since the Tang dynasty the Chinese got one get-out-of-marriage free card
But in any case, I can see why the previous forms of marriage are so appealing to you. It appears to be quite on a personal level.

I am just some nobody.

China was a great nation, and the orientals a great race. The question is will either survive.

[Kubra]

But there is no eastern hell
Yeah except since the Tang dynasty the Chinese got one get-out-of-marriage free card
But in any case, I can see why the previous forms of marriage are so appealing to you. It appears to be quite on a personal level.

I am just some nobody.

China was a great nation, and the orientals a great race. The question is will either survive.

I'm more worried about your progeny than theirs, if you know what I mean.

[HMS Barham]

I am just some nobody.

China was a great nation, and the orientals a great race. The question is will either survive.

I'm more worried about your progeny than theirs, if you know what I mean.

Me too. Still, my nation is killing itself the most slowly of any.

[Kubra]

I'm more worried about your progeny than theirs, if you know what I mean.

Me too. Still, my nation is killing itself the most slowly of any.

What, the UK? Well, I'm surprised, I thought you weren't terribly fond of pakistani's.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I already named several. The modern US is a welfare state, not to mention a regulatory omnistate, and Trump doesn't intend to reverse that. He intends to ameliorate it slightly. It's like saying Gorbachev wasn't a communist.

Again, your statement makes no sense. First, communism has nothing to do with a welfare state. That is called social democracy, not communism. Communists generally oppose, not support, the welfare state.

What I do know about Mr. Gorbachev is that he dismantled the Soviet Union. However, what does Gorbachev have to do with Trump?

[HMS Barham]

I already named several. The modern US is a welfare state, not to mention a regulatory omnistate, and Trump doesn't intend to reverse that. He intends to ameliorate it slightly. It's like saying Gorbachev wasn't a communist.

Again, your statement makes no sense. First, communism has nothing to do with a welfare state. That is called social democracy, not communism. Communists generally oppose, not support, the welfare state.

What I do know about Mr. Gorbachev is that he dismantled the Soviet Union. However, what does Gorbachev have to do with Trump?

Look at the manifesto of a guy like Eugene V Debs. There wasn't a whole lot of different between that and what Trump accepts.

[Liriena]

China was a great nation

It still is, warts and all. Massive economy, growing regional and international influence, and a rising middle class.

[Genivaria]

#bigbrotherdidnothingwrong #freedomisslavery #warispeace #ignoranceisstrength

Ingsoc must be popular with the modern left.

Hey don't associate me with that delusional crap.

[HMS Barham]

China was a great nation

It still is, warts and all. Massive economy, growing regional and international influence, and a rising middle class.

No still, it's just gradually becoming one. Too early to say though.

[Liriena]

It still is, warts and all. Massive economy, growing regional and international influence, and a rising middle class.

No still, it's just gradually becoming one. Too early to say though.

How is a territorially massive nation with over a billion inhabitants and the second largest economy globally not a "great nation" already? What standards are you measuring China by?

[Liriena]

#bigbrotherdidnothingwrong #freedomisslavery #warispeace #ignoranceisstrength

Ingsoc must be popular with the modern left.

We prefer Ursula K. Le Guin's Anarres, thank you very much. ;3

[HMS Barham]

No still, it's just gradually becoming one. Too early to say though.

How is a territorially massive nation with over a billion inhabitants and the second largest economy globally not a "great nation" already? What standards are you measuring China by?

It's had a significant economy for about 20 years, which is not very long.

A nation is great in its soul.

[Liriena]

How is a territorially massive nation with over a billion inhabitants and the second largest economy globally not a "great nation" already? What standards are you measuring China by?

It's had a significant economy for about 20 years, which is not very long.

A nation is great in its soul.

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

[The Widening Gyre]

It's had a significant economy for about 20 years, which is not very long.

A nation is great in its soul.

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

TIL that nations are great in their souls, and souls can be measured by the gross domestic product of their hosts. Economics: it really is just voodoo!

[HMS Barham]

It's had a significant economy for about 20 years, which is not very long.

A nation is great in its soul.

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

Many large and populous nations have crumpled. With a weak soul, anything is possible.

[Liriena]

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

Many large and populous nations have crumpled. With a weak soul, anything is possible.

What's a soul? Can it be objectively observed and measured by any professional?

[Kubra]

It's had a significant economy for about 20 years, which is not very long.

A nation is great in its soul.

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

It's all brits have left

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

China was a great nation

It still is, warts and all. Massive economy, growing regional and international influence, and a rising middle class.

A corrupt, surveillant dictatorship makes for pretty big and disgusting warts.

[Liriena]

It still is, warts and all. Massive economy, growing regional and international influence, and a rising middle class.

A corrupt, surveillant dictatorship makes for pretty big and disgusting warts.

I was not aware that being a transparent democracy was part of the goalposts here. That really narrows down the amount of countries that could ever be called great... and even excludes the current superpower. :/

[Liriena]

...what's this dollar store "I can't believe it's not anthropology" and how did it get here?

It's all brits have left

Can't they be pleased with being the people of Austen, Dickens, Tolkien and Pratchett, and leave it at that? What more could you possibly want?

[Kubra]

It's all brits have left

Can't they be pleased with being the people of Austen, Dickens, Tolkien and Pratchett, and leave it at that? What more could you possibly want?

an empire

[Liriena]

Can't they be pleased with being the people of Austen, Dickens, Tolkien and Pratchett, and leave it at that? What more could you possibly want?

an empire

Brits want to be violently kicked out of other people's lands again? I don't think even burglars are as addicted to trespassing.

[Kubra]

an empire

Brits want to be violently kicked out of other people's lands again? I don't think even burglars are as addicted to trespassing.

Well I mean they got the run of the house for quite a bit of time
squat for long enough and it feels like home

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Look at the manifesto of a guy like Eugene V Debs. There wasn't a whole lot of different between that and what Trump accepts.

More vagueness.

First, you never state what precisely can be correlated between Debs and Trump. You simply make an assertion. What is your point?

Second, Eugene Debs wasn't even a communist. He was a democratic socialist. Your argument, such as it is, really ends at that point. There is a huge difference between Debs and the views of most communists on a host of issues. However, since you are so nonspecific, I am unable to point out relevant differences. (Relevant to what?)

Third, I have read Debs quite thoroughly.