NATION

PASSWORD

US Midterm Election 2018 Megathread- It's Kavanaugh

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
22
58%
 
Total votes : 38

User avatar
Sovaal
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13695
Founded: Mar 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:32 am

Guy wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No. Democracy enables that.

So we should accept whatever democracy throws up? That's... one hell of a position.

So should we override democracy when we don’t like the results? That’s a road you have to evcareful going down.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 97910
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:33 am

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its not a winnable race but it is scary that a Nazi is the best they could come up with for this district

Well as you said the area is pretty blue. Extremists come from hard times and places (so to speak). As for him running, it’s democracy baby, would you rather he be open about his beliefs or not?

let him be open about his beliefs its freedom of speech. If there is a debate in that district after the Democratic primary it would be an interesting one for sure.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59025
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:33 am

Guy wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No. Democracy enables that.

So we should accept whatever democracy throws up? That's... one hell of a position.


I've been advocating the WRA single party state for a while now.
National Communist, anti-imperialist, political junkie, defense analysis fanatic, polytheist
LeftValues results
https://classunity.org/

User avatar
Sovaal
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13695
Founded: Mar 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Guy wrote:So we should accept whatever democracy throws up? That's... one hell of a position.


I've been advocating the WRA single party state for a while now.

Never! SDP (Sovaal Democratic Party) for life! Too the technicals!
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

User avatar
Shrillland
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25772
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Shrillland » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Chicago is nothing more than a third world country pretending to be part of the US.


I believe second world country is what you're trying to say, the Soviet Socialist Republic of Illinois would be second world.

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No. Democracy enables that.


Well as a Jew I find it very scary that someone who denies a genocide that killed six million of my people is on the ballot. But given that he meets the requirements for the office and his petition signatures are valid there is no way to remove Mr. Jones from the ballot nor should there be.

It will be interesting to see what percentage of the vote he gets.


Honestly, I'd be surprised if he got more than 10,000 votes come November; the state party's doing all it can to discredit him.

And...


San Lumen wrote:
Luminesa wrote:You just said you wanted her to win, then said, “It’s not like she’ll actually win.” As though that takes away from what you just said.


She wouldn't win a general election in Illinois running ads like that but could win a Republican primary. I would welcome the down ballot carnage like we saw in Virginia last year.


Depends who we choose on March 20. If it's Kennedy, there'd be no trouble crushing her, but Pritzker's suffering from the machine sickness and Biss(my personal choice) may be too far left for too many people.
How America Came to This, by Kowani: Racialised Politics, Ideological Media Gaslighting, and What It All Means For The Future
Plebiscite Plaza 2026
Confused by the names I use for House districts? Here's a primer!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
Claorica
Diplomat
 
Posts: 861
Founded: Aug 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Claorica » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:52 am

Guy wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No. Democracy enables that.

So we should accept whatever democracy throws up? That's... one hell of a position.


If you believe in pure democracy like San Lumen, yep, you should.
Pros Localism, Subsidiarity, Distributism, Traditionalism, Conservatism, Christian Democracy, Ruralism, Southern Agrarianism, Regionalism, State's Rights, Monarchism, Federalism, Rerum Novarum, Christian Monarchy, Christian conservatism, Boers, Presbyterianism (PCA) Aristocracy, Catholicism, the Subsidiarity Principle

Dues-Paying Member of the American Solidarity Party.

User avatar
Salandriagado
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22831
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:16 am

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't condone her positions one bit. She wouldn't win the general and would hand the election to the Democrat.

> “I want her to win the nomination.”
> “B-But there’s no way she would do it.”

Obvious backpedaling is obvious.


You appear to be having difficultly distinguishing "nomination" from "election".
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
Telconi
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34903
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:13 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> “I want her to win the nomination.”
> “B-But there’s no way she would do it.”

Obvious backpedaling is obvious.


You appear to be having difficultly distinguishing "nomination" from "election".


I think the operative critique was about San Lumen's advocacy of extremism.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

User avatar
Hakons
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5619
Founded: Jul 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakons » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:25 am

Guy wrote:
Hakons wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what would happen if the Governor vetoed a proposed map. For one, if the map is compact (by following the new guidelines), Governor Wolf may face fallout for vetoing a good looking map (he's up for election in November). Next, what happens after a veto? The legislator complied with the court order and made a compact map. Would the default map be the old map?

No. It'd be a court-drawn map. If the Governor doesn't sign a new plan by 15 February, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will immediately start the process for drawing its own map. See the order.

Third, should the General Assembly not submit a congressional districting plan on or before February 9, 2018, or should the Governor not approve the General Assembly’s plan on or before February 15, 2018, this Court shall proceed expeditiously to adopt a plan based on the evidentiary record developed in the Commonwealth Court.


The governor can veto any map, then. This seems like an overstep of power by the court. Courts can declare maps invalid, but they can't draw their own.
“All elements of the national life must be made to drink in the Life which proceedeth from Him: legislation, political institutions, education, marriage and family life, capital and labour.” —Pope Leo XIII

User avatar
Telconi
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34903
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:35 am

Hakons wrote:
Guy wrote:No. It'd be a court-drawn map. If the Governor doesn't sign a new plan by 15 February, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will immediately start the process for drawing its own map. See the order.



The governor can veto any map, then. This seems like an overstep of power by the court. Courts can declare maps invalid, but they can't draw their own.


Court throwing out map is nothing out of the ordinary. I would expect SCOTUS to get involved if the court tries to draw it's own map overriding the legislature.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

User avatar
Salandriagado
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22831
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
You appear to be having difficultly distinguishing "nomination" from "election".


I think the operative critique was about San Lumen's advocacy of extremism.


Then Lumi should say she means, rather than demonstrating that she clearly either didn't read or didn't understand the post.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31234
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Chicago is nothing more than a third world country pretending to be part of the US.


I thought that was the entire state of Illinois, and large swathes of the Midwest and South?
T H E U N I O N O F F R A T E R N A L S O C I A L I S T L A B O R C O L L E C T I V E S
Perpetually haunted by the futures that never were and tortured by the futures that may yet be

User avatar
Major-Tom
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16279
Founded: Mar 09, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Major-Tom » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Chicago is nothing more than a third world country pretending to be part of the US.


Daily reminder that Chicago > NYC > LA.

User avatar
Salandriagado
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22831
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:54 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Chicago is nothing more than a third world country pretending to be part of the US.


Daily reminder that Chicago > NYC > LA.


Why are we trying to rank shitholes?
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 79496
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:25 pm

Male, Jewish, lives somewhere in AZ, Disabled US Military Veteran, Oorah!, I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 97910
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
Hakons wrote:
The governor can veto any map, then. This seems like an overstep of power by the court. Courts can declare maps invalid, but they can't draw their own.


Court throwing out map is nothing out of the ordinary. I would expect SCOTUS to get involved if the court tries to draw it's own map overriding the legislature.

The court can and would draw its own map if the governor and legislature cannot agree or the map the legislature draws does not meet the requirements set out by the court. It has happened before for example in my state for the last redistricting when the Assembly and the Senate could not agree on maps for congress.

User avatar
Hayo
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 397
Founded: Jan 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hayo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:02 pm


There will be a narrative pushed that it's un-American and has no basis in any national traditions.

I guess the impact depends on what percentage of people are impressed by tanks, flags, and toy soldiers.
Last edited by Hayo on Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Telconi
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34903
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Hayo wrote:

There will be a narrative pushed that it's un-American and has no basis in any national traditions.

I guess the impact depends on what percentage of people are impressed by tanks, flags, and toy soldiers.


Tanks flags and toy soldiers are quite impressive.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31234
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:28 pm



I don't really think military parades have a place in the American political tradition, but it'll be super effective despite of my protests.
T H E U N I O N O F F R A T E R N A L S O C I A L I S T L A B O R C O L L E C T I V E S
Perpetually haunted by the futures that never were and tortured by the futures that may yet be

User avatar
Corrian
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53461
Founded: Mar 19, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Corrian » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:48 pm


Kinda strange, but I doubt that will change peoples opinions or anything. Like my first thought of military parades is North Korea, but it is actually fairly common in various places. I'm more surprised we don't already have one actually.
My Last.FM and RYM

Look on the bright side, one day you'll be dead~Street Sects

User avatar
Claorica
Diplomat
 
Posts: 861
Founded: Aug 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Claorica » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:06 pm

Corrian wrote:

Kinda strange, but I doubt that will change peoples opinions or anything. Like my first thought of military parades is North Korea, but it is actually fairly common in various places. I'm more surprised we don't already have one actually.


I mean, when you look at it, we have had them in the past, in the events of victory in major wars, like V-E Day.
Pros Localism, Subsidiarity, Distributism, Traditionalism, Conservatism, Christian Democracy, Ruralism, Southern Agrarianism, Regionalism, State's Rights, Monarchism, Federalism, Rerum Novarum, Christian Monarchy, Christian conservatism, Boers, Presbyterianism (PCA) Aristocracy, Catholicism, the Subsidiarity Principle

Dues-Paying Member of the American Solidarity Party.

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 97910
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:04 pm

Here's yet another crazy Republican primary for Governor,

Jan Morgan who is challenging Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson(R) in the primary is claiming that he has governed like a democrat and will prevent sharia law from coming to Arkansas.

https://talkbusiness.net/2018/02/morgan ... haria-law/
Last edited by San Lumen on Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Hakons
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5619
Founded: Jul 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakons » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:08 pm

Corrian wrote:

Kinda strange, but I doubt that will change peoples opinions or anything. Like my first thought of military parades is North Korea, but it is actually fairly common in various places. I'm more surprised we don't already have one actually.


We had parades for sending troops off to war and celebrating their return, but those mainly happened in the 19th and 20th century. There's nothing really wrong with them, just they've fallen out of favor in modern America.
“All elements of the national life must be made to drink in the Life which proceedeth from Him: legislation, political institutions, education, marriage and family life, capital and labour.” —Pope Leo XIII

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 97910
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:39 pm

Not sure if this belongs here or the state of the Democratic Party threads but there were four special elections in Missouri tonight for state House of Representatives. Republicans will likely win two of them but Democrats have gained one District 97 which includes part of St. Louis and Jefferson county. The fourth election is too close to call.

This is further evidence of Republicans tanking in suburban areas. Virginia showed this as did the special state senate election in Wisconsin last month.

Trump won this seat 61-33 according to Daily Kos.
Last edited by San Lumen on Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:50 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59025
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:43 pm



I entirely approve of this, we should make this a yearly thing.
National Communist, anti-imperialist, political junkie, defense analysis fanatic, polytheist
LeftValues results
https://classunity.org/

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Armeattla, Asgarnnia, Chirhoaea, Ci Arovannea, Gotland and Oland, Ifreann, Kuromistan, Magna-Parva, Maraganta, Outer Armatonisdaristan, Sanana, Slembana, Southwest Horizonia, TheHouseOfSilly, Uiiop

Advertisement

Remove ads