FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Telconi]

Well, I won't have to pay for the stupid Hulu/Netflix/whatever other nonproprietary streaming platform service.

You already aren't, and even if you were, this would have zero effect on what you pay, because the price is not supply-limited.

Yes I am... my ISP allows me to stream Netflix, it doesn't do so magically, it does so through infrastructure and labor, neither of which is free. And the price is supply limited, an ISP network doesn't just magically carry unlimited amounts of data, this is why they limit downloads, and why they cap speeds.

[Donut section]

No I didn't.

Yes, you did. Unless you are suddenly going to claim that spending a fortune administering a wide variety of options is profitable for a monopoly.

What monopoly?

[Salandriagado]

You already aren't, and even if you were, this would have zero effect on what you pay, because the price is not supply-limited.

Yes I am... my ISP allows me to stream Netflix, it doesn't do so magically, it does so through infrastructure and labor, neither of which is free. And the price is supply limited, an ISP network doesn't just magically carry unlimited amounts of data, this is why they limit downloads, and why they cap speeds.

The price is not supply limited. You can tell by how the ISPs all make massive profits. If it were supply limited, they would be working on razor-thin margins. The price is dictated by a functional monopoly. They place limits on it because it increases their profit margin. This change allows them to either:

1) Increase their profit margin more; or
2) Charge you less.

Given that the market will already bear the price that you are paying, and that they are operating as a monopoly in many areas, there's literally no reason for them to even consider (2).

[Salandriagado]

Yes, you did. Unless you are suddenly going to claim that spending a fortune administering a wide variety of options is profitable for a monopoly.

What monopoly?

ISPs in the US function as a monopoly.

[Donut section]

What monopoly?

ISPs in the US function as a monopoly.

That's a function of regulation.

[Salandriagado]

ISPs in the US function as a monopoly.

That's a function of regulation.

No it isn't. And even if it is, you haven't explained how this change will change that, or how it will magically cause ISPs to stop acting rationally.

[Donut section]

That's a function of regulation.

No it isn't. And even if it is, you haven't explained how this change will change that, or how it will magically cause ISPs to stop acting rationally.

Opening the market to other service providers, increased competition.

[Salandriagado]

No it isn't. And even if it is, you haven't explained how this change will change that, or how it will magically cause ISPs to stop acting rationally.

Opening the market to other service providers, increased competition.

And how does it make the massive barriers to entry suddenly vanish?

[Donut section]

Opening the market to other service providers, increased competition.

And how does it make the massive barriers to entry suddenly vanish?

Removes the main barrier, legislative requirements.

[Dylar]

Opening the market to other service providers, increased competition.

And how does it make the massive barriers to entry suddenly vanish?

Competition is what keeps companies in check without regulation. Because once one company does something bad to exploit it's customers, then all the other companies jump in and use their failure to promote how good their own company is. Once that happens, most of the customers from the bad company will switch over to another company leaving the bad company to die

[Salandriagado]

And how does it make the massive barriers to entry suddenly vanish?

Removes the main barrier, legislative requirements.

That isn't the main barrier at all. The difference here is marginal at best. The barriers are in infrastructure costs and the difficulty of getting access to lay cables.

[Salandriagado]

And how does it make the massive barriers to entry suddenly vanish?

Competition is what keeps companies in check without regulation. Because once one company does something bad to exploit it's customers, then all the other companies jump in and use their failure to promote how good their own company is. Once that happens, most of the customers from the bad company will switch over to another company leaving the bad company to die

Are you going to actually answer the question now? Why will the infrastructural barriers to entry magically vanish?

[Dylar]

Competition is what keeps companies in check without regulation. Because once one company does something bad to exploit it's customers, then all the other companies jump in and use their failure to promote how good their own company is. Once that happens, most of the customers from the bad company will switch over to another company leaving the bad company to die

Are you going to actually answer the question now? Why will the infrastructural barriers to entry magically vanish?

I never said they would...? You confusing me with Donut, or did I miss a post from you a few pages back?

[Telconi]

What monopoly?

ISPs in the US function as a monopoly.

But they don't...

[Salandriagado]

Are you going to actually answer the question now? Why will the infrastructural barriers to entry magically vanish?

I never said they would...? You confusing me with Donut, or did I miss a post from you a few pages back?

No, I'm just wondering why you're quoting a high school economics textbook that has no relevance on the discussion.

[Salandriagado]

ISPs in the US function as a monopoly.

But they don't...

They literally do. This has been covered several times already.

[Telconi]

But they don't...

They literally do. This has been covered several times already.

They literally don't, at least not to any significant extent. Repeating talking points that aren't rooted in reality is not "covering" anything.

[Salandriagado]

They literally do. This has been covered several times already.

They literally don't, at least not to any significant extent. Repeating talking points that aren't rooted in reality is not "covering" anything.

They literally agree not to compete with each other. They make huge profit margins, and raise prices in excess of the growth in their costs. They function, in every way, as a monopoly.

[Telconi]

They literally don't, at least not to any significant extent. Repeating talking points that aren't rooted in reality is not "covering" anything.

They literally agree not to compete with each other. They make huge profit margins, and raise prices in excess of the growth in their costs. They function, in every way, as a monopoly.

Well the ISPs in your fantasy land sound awful...

[Dylar]

I never said they would...? You confusing me with Donut, or did I miss a post from you a few pages back?

No, I'm just wondering why you're quoting a high school economics textbook that has no relevance on the discussion.

I just kinda decided to pop in without reading the last few pages to see what the actual argument is about...I'm just gonna brush up on these last 5 pages now...

[Salandriagado]

They literally agree not to compete with each other. They make huge profit margins, and raise prices in excess of the growth in their costs. They function, in every way, as a monopoly.

Well the ISPs in your fantasy land sound awful...

This isn't fantasy. This is literally in their financial reports every year. And it's inevitable: until the US fixes the silly mess that was having the ISPs own the infrastructure, it's never going to change.

[Telconi]

Well the ISPs in your fantasy land sound awful...

This isn't fantasy. This is literally in their financial reports every year. And it's inevitable: until the US fixes the silly mess that was having the ISPs own the infrastructure, it's never going to change.

[Citation needed]

[Salandriagado]

This isn't fantasy. This is literally in their financial reports every year. And it's inevitable: until the US fixes the silly mess that was having the ISPs own the infrastructure, it's never going to change.

[Citation needed]

For example. Just the figures on the "highlights" page verify my above claim.

[Telconi]

[Citation needed]

For example. Just the figures on the "highlights" page verify my above claim.

Those numbers somehow prove that AT&T operates in collusion with competitors? Care to say how?

[Salandriagado]

For example. Just the figures on the "highlights" page verify my above claim.

Those numbers somehow prove that AT&T operates in collusion with competitors? Care to say how?

No, they prove the financial claims that I made. That they don't compete with each other (note that I didn't say it's collusion: simply deciding not to compete is not collusion) is evident by simply looking at the services that they provide, and where they provide them.