by Conquerus » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:56 pm
by The Sheika » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:10 pm
by Conquerus » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:20 pm
by Kenmoria » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:26 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:40 am
Conquerus wrote:NOTING that impoverishment can be combatted by hard work and climbing "the corporate ladder"
by Attempted Socialism » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:14 am
OOC: It's also unlikely that hard work has anything to do with climbing any corporate ladders anywhere. If impoverishment is combatted by hard work, day labourers would be rich, while board members would be impoverished.The New California Republic wrote:Conquerus wrote:NOTING that impoverishment can be combatted by hard work and climbing "the corporate ladder"
OOC: Nope. Many nations in the World Assembly do not have corporations at all. Such nations range from Primitivist states, all the way to fully-realized Communist "states".
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by Conquerus » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:24 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: It's also unlikely that hard work has anything to do with climbing any corporate ladders anywhere. If impoverishment is combatted by hard work, day labourers would be rich, while board members would be impoverished.The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Nope. Many nations in the World Assembly do not have corporations at all. Such nations range from Primitivist states, all the way to fully-realized Communist "states".
Furthermore, clause 2 defines abuse, but 4 is a blanket mandate to reduce welfare, regardless of abuse. It's not just wrong, it's simply incoherent.
by The New California Republic » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:43 am
Conquerus wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: It's also unlikely that hard work has anything to do with climbing any corporate ladders anywhere. If impoverishment is combatted by hard work, day labourers would be rich, while board members would be impoverished.
Furthermore, clause 2 defines abuse, but 4 is a blanket mandate to reduce welfare, regardless of abuse. It's not just wrong, it's simply incoherent.
What I'm trying to say, is that welfare is useless as the abuse of welfare in unemployment benefits is prevalent as in capitalism, the hard working and lucky are sent to the top of the corporate ladder while the lazy and unlucky are sent to the bottom.
In socialism/communism, everybody is rich/poor depending on how you look at it, so welfare is useless.
Overall, the message I want to get out is that welfare is useless no matter which economical system.
by Rvssyav » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:28 am
Conquerus wrote:The World Assembly,
REAFFIRMING the World Assembly's commitment to human rights,
ACKNOWLEDGING families need of government welfare for issues such as unemployment, child raising and disabilities,
KNOWING that welfare and government benefits can be abused,
Conquerus wrote:NOTING that impoverishment can be combatted by hard work and climbing "the corporate ladder",
FURTHER NOTING that for the left leaning economies, there is a classless system further adding to the pointlessness of welfare,
CONCERNED by the wasting of taxpayer's money,
Conquerus wrote:1. DEFINES "welfare" as financial support granted by the government to those in need; for the purpose of this resolution, welfare shall not include;
a. Benefits granted by non government organisations
b. Non financial benefits e.g maternity leave, wheelchairs or hearing aids
Conquerus wrote:2. DEFINES "abuse" as the usage of benefit or power improperly,
Conquerus wrote:3. ASSURES that welfare for disabilities, pensions, veterans funds, healthcare and family benefits will not be affected by this proposal,
4. MANDATES that all WA nations reduce:
a. welfare benefits towards unemployment
b. minimum wages
c. welfare benefits towards mortgages
d. welfare benefits towards the homeless
by Araraukar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:40 pm
Rvssyav wrote:Homelessness affects, amongst many groups, veterans the most.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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by Merconitonitopia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:49 pm
Conquerus wrote:NOTING that impoverishment can be combatted by hard work and climbing "the corporate ladder",
by Alpha Cassiopeiae » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:30 pm
by The ethereal lord » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:28 am
by Slavonia and Srijem » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:45 am
by The New California Republic » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:49 am
Slavonia and Srijem wrote:Big NO. You are free to scrap all of Welfare programs if you want, but you won't be doing it in whole WA.
by Slavonia and Srijem » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:52 am
by Araraukar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:29 pm
Rvssyav wrote:OOC: where do YOU live...
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:45 pm
Araraukar wrote:Rvssyav wrote:OOC: where do YOU live...
OOC: Finland. You?Tinfect wrote:OOC: Veteran Homelessness is quite common in the 'States, for the record.
OOC: Just one more reason why USA is hardly better than the former USSR...
...and why RL USA would be in violation of the Minimum Standards of Living Act.
by Araraukar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:04 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:The RL USA is in violation of a whole shitload of WA resolutions
the entire body is regularly smeared as a pack of busybody communist do-gooders by the kids who regularly find their way into this forum.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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