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Postby Bombadil » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Galloism wrote:Being fair to President Trump (and that still makes me gag a little bit), he didn't cause the gross poverty in Alabama. That's been that way for a long long time.

He's certainly not fixing it, but then again, his predecessors didn't either.


To be fairer, I don't think you can fix that kind of extreme poverty without mass support from all levels of government and a lot of time.


Campaign finance would be the one area that could and should be fixed. There was a report that shows Senators spend 30% in general of their time on raising funds rising to 70-80% during election season. And who are they ringing.. wealthy donors.. so their priorities are skewed upfront.

These days a set amount of airtime, a website correlated against their record and a set amount of advertising would suffice.. the ridiculous amount spent on funding elections is a travesty really.. people would be far better motivated to fix actual problems if their success wasn't predicated on the amount of money they begged for.

..and people may say Trump didn't have to raise so much but that's basically because the networks and media gave him so much free airtime on stuff like this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
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Postby Sharania » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:28 pm

Fortune 500 Daily: The Wealth Gap in the U.S. Is Worse Than In Russia or Iran

Worse. Than. In. Russia.

But - fear not! The "Art of Good Deal" by Trump is totally better than any "New Deal"! \s

- Tax cuts alone won't cover full cost of GOP plan, Treasury says

- The Treasury released a bizarre one-page report on the GOP tax bill, and it's already getting shredded

The Treasury report assumes that gross domestic product, the most widely used measure of a country's economy, would increase by an average of 2.9% annually in the US over the next 10 years.

That rate, taken from President Donald Trump's proposed budget, is much greater than the 2.2% annual GDP growth rate the Treasury's Office of Tax Policy expected over that period before Trump took office. The growth rate from the budget assumes not just that the tax bill and some other Trump administration proposals will pass, but that the policies will add nearly a percentage point to the US's annual GDP growth.

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An analysis from the University of Pennsylvania's Penn-Wharton Budget Model released Monday said the Senate version of the tax bill would boost GDP by only about half a percentage point to 1 percentage point total after 10 years. The model said the bill would add $1.5 trillion to $1.8 trillion in new deficits over that time frame "even under assumptions favorable to economic growth."

The JCT estimated that he tax bill would boost the economy by eight-tenths of a percentage point over the first 10 years after the bill was passed and generate $1 trillion in new deficits even when factoring in economic growth.

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Jacob Leibenluft, a senior adviser at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and former deputy director of the National Economic Council, had a similar reaction.

"This document is a tacit admission that Treasury's career tax experts have no analysis showing the tax plan pays for itself — but written in a way to confuse people who can't or won't read between the lines," he tweeted.

Jason Furman, a Harvard Kennedy professor who previously served as the Council of Economic Advisors chairman, called the report an "embarrassing joke."

Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, tweeted "no one should believe this study."

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer also blasted the report in a statement, saying it used "fake math."

"The latest Treasury 'analysis' is nothing more than one page of fake math," Schumer said. "It’s clear the White House and Republicans are grasping at straws to prove the unprovable and garner votes for a bill that nearly every single independent analysis has concluded will blow up


"Fake math". I like it.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:32 pm

Fake math? Everything seems to be fake lately in US. Fake news, fake math, fake everything.

Fake food too, I guess?
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:32 pm

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Sharania wrote:That's... eye-opening, to say the least

U.N. poverty investigator visits Alabama: finds worst poverty in the developed world





I think it’s time for all those white blue-collar voters to thank President Trump for fulfilling their dreams of Making America Great Again (plus Colluding with Russia and Banning Muslims from entry the country – that’s what you all wanted, right?)

Being fair to President Trump (and that still makes me gag a little bit), he didn't cause the gross poverty in Alabama. That's been that way for a long long time.

He's certainly not fixing it, but then again, his predecessors didn't either.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure keeping Moore in office won't actually help matters.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:37 pm

Sharania wrote:I think it’s time for all those white blue-collar voters to thank President Trump for fulfilling their dreams of Making America Great Again (plus Colluding with Russia and Banning Muslims from entry the country – that’s what you all wanted, right?)


Besides the fact we're talking about the opinion of a single official, there's something pretty hilarious about blaming a less than year old administration on poverty issues; at least try to make coherent sense with your narratives, okay?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:39 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Sharania wrote:I think it’s time for all those white blue-collar voters to thank President Trump for fulfilling their dreams of Making America Great Again (plus Colluding with Russia and Banning Muslims from entry the country – that’s what you all wanted, right?)


Besides the fact we're talking about the opinion of a single official, there's something pretty hilarious about blaming a less than year old administration on poverty issues; at least try to make coherent sense with your narratives, okay?

Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:42 pm

Galloism wrote:Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.


I don't, do enlighten me honestly. Quite frankly, stupidity knows no political boundaries, so this doesn't surprise me if true.
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Postby Sharania » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:44 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:Besides the fact we're talking about the opinion of a single official, there's something pretty hilarious about blaming a less than year old administration on poverty issues; at least try to make coherent sense with your narratives, okay?


[Sigh]

Trump promised during his campaign to introduce a $1 trillion proposal within his first 100 days in office, then the administration said there’d be a plan by the third quarter. That didn’t happen


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Postby Galloism » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:46 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.


I don't, do enlighten me honestly. Quite frankly, stupidity knows no political boundaries, so this doesn't surprise me if true.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... isapp.html

The world is a strange place.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:52 pm

Galloism wrote:I don't, do enlighten me honestly. Quite frankly, stupidity knows no political boundaries, so this doesn't surprise me if true.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... isapp.html

The world is a strange place.


As I said, stupidity knows no bounds; I'll also add this to my list of reasons why Democracy is a joke.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:02 pm

Galloism wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Besides the fact we're talking about the opinion of a single official, there's something pretty hilarious about blaming a less than year old administration on poverty issues; at least try to make coherent sense with your narratives, okay?

Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.

Also for the economy crash.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:15 pm

Corrian wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.

Also for the economy crash.

That one really baffles me. Wasn't the economy crashing during the election that put Obama into office?
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:18 pm

Camicon wrote:
Corrian wrote:Also for the economy crash.

That one really baffles me. Wasn't the economy crashing during the election that put Obama into office?


Yes, that's part of why he was elected.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:58 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:39 am


"It's blatantly political" Says the GOP trying to sidestep it to get out unqualified candidates for rushed political reasons.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:44 am

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Postby Ism » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:59 am

Corrian wrote:Lindsey Graham has seriously turned into a Trump puppet. He's advertising his GOLF COURSE.


Yeah this is pretty weird.

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Postby Camicon » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:01 am

Ism wrote:
Corrian wrote:Lindsey Graham has seriously turned into a Trump puppet. He's advertising his GOLF COURSE.


Yeah this is pretty weird.

Has anyone seen Lindsey's children lately?
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Postby Herador » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:26 am

Corrian wrote:Lindsey Graham has seriously turned into a Trump puppet. He's advertising his GOLF COURSE.

Oh come on, there has to be a law against this somewhere.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:56 am

Corrian wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hey, remember when everyone started blaming Obama for the response to Katrina? Classic.

Also for the economy crash.

Not his fault of course, but his response was dreadful and enabled even more predatory practices that will inevitably lead to another disaster.

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Postby Shikihara » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:57 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don't, do enlighten me honestly. Quite frankly, stupidity knows no political boundaries, so this doesn't surprise me if true.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... isapp.html

The world is a strange place.


As I said, stupidity knows no bounds; I'll also add this to my list of reasons why Democracy is a joke.


Your list of why authoritarianism is a joke must be yuge.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:17 am

Camicon wrote:
Ism wrote:
Yeah this is pretty weird.

Has anyone seen Lindsey's children lately?


Anyone else see the antenna poking out the top of his head?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:43 am


Remember when there were nice things?

I don't.


Herador wrote:
Corrian wrote:Lindsey Graham has seriously turned into a Trump puppet. He's advertising his GOLF COURSE.

Oh come on, there has to be a law against this somewhere.

In light of Lindsey Graham's evident conflict of interests with Trump International, he should have to abstain from all votes that could effect it.

Like any bills that cut corporate tax rates.
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