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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:27 pm

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United States of Red Dawn wrote:Still, better than Hillary having knowledge about this: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/ ... ency-laws/


You guys wish Hillary was still a candidate so badly.

And yet the ones who supported her are supposed to be the ones who need to Get Over It.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:32 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
You guys wish Hillary was still a candidate so badly.

And yet the ones who supported her are supposed to be the ones who need to Get Over It.


It's god damn hilarious. The only people who bring up Clinton constantly are the people saying to get over Trump winning.

We did. A long time ago. He's a fucking disaster, and that's what we are focusing on now. Also possible Conspiracy against the United States and Conspiracy to Defraud the United States, which are tangentially tied to the election I suppose. However the reason anybody should care about that is because they are fucking serious allegations with very serious consequences if the President is using his authority to give favors to a foreign entity if said entity helped him win the Presidency. Lest we damn well forget the Justice department bizarrely settled the case against Prevezon Holdings in May, which allows them to continue to operate in the United States even though they laundered approximately $200 million through their US holdings (And had the whistle blower killed).
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:33 pm

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United States of Red Dawn wrote:But....to me The Post is the same, as well as any other newspaper that glossed over everything Mz. Clinton did in the very recent past. Try to find much about Fusion GPS or any other questionable things she did when running against Trump. It's a hatchet job.


Then you are either willfully obtuse or a conspiracy nutjob who has difficultydistancing reality from fantasy. The sort of deep-state bullshittery being spun just does not happen in real life and the massive world-spanning conspiracies are just plain silly. Real life is far, far more boring that that. And Fusion GPS is a fucking joke of an accusation. What, exactly, are you accusing of them here? "Questionable things!" Oh gods, not Questionable Things!(tm)

What happened during the campaign also matters while the woman is still throwing every accusation she can at Trump.


Literally anybody can say literally anything about anybody. And Trump is doing the same damn thing. The difference is that one is a private citizen and the other has a position of authority and power.

Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:36 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Then you are either willfully obtuse or a conspiracy nutjob who has difficultydistancing reality from fantasy. The sort of deep-state bullshittery being spun just does not happen in real life and the massive world-spanning conspiracies are just plain silly. Real life is far, far more boring that that. And Fusion GPS is a fucking joke of an accusation. What, exactly, are you accusing of them here? "Questionable things!" Oh gods, not Questionable Things!(tm)



Literally anybody can say literally anything about anybody. And Trump is doing the same damn thing. The difference is that one is a private citizen and the other has a position of authority and power.

Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.

You're welcome to make your own thread exclusively discussing Hillary Clinton's life but this is the Trump thread?
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:36 pm

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Seangoli wrote:
Then you are either willfully obtuse or a conspiracy nutjob who has difficultydistancing reality from fantasy. The sort of deep-state bullshittery being spun just does not happen in real life and the massive world-spanning conspiracies are just plain silly. Real life is far, far more boring that that. And Fusion GPS is a fucking joke of an accusation. What, exactly, are you accusing of them here? "Questionable things!" Oh gods, not Questionable Things!(tm)



Literally anybody can say literally anything about anybody. And Trump is doing the same damn thing. The difference is that one is a private citizen and the other has a position of authority and power.

Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.


Oh, this is pure comedic gold.

Clout is not authority, and it is not power. She has no political authority, and this desperate attempt to claim she has unofficial deep-state authority is laughable. At best. She is in no position of actual power or authority, and has no official means of excercising her will. She is a private citizen for all intents and purposes.

Trump, on the other hand, is the duly elected President of the damn country. He has actual power and actual authority. If you can't understand why people are more damn concerned about one and not the other, then you are just being willfully obtuse.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:39 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Then you are either willfully obtuse or a conspiracy nutjob who has difficultydistancing reality from fantasy. The sort of deep-state bullshittery being spun just does not happen in real life and the massive world-spanning conspiracies are just plain silly. Real life is far, far more boring that that. And Fusion GPS is a fucking joke of an accusation. What, exactly, are you accusing of them here? "Questionable things!" Oh gods, not Questionable Things!(tm)



Literally anybody can say literally anything about anybody. And Trump is doing the same damn thing. The difference is that one is a private citizen and the other has a position of authority and power.

Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.


Donald Trump has even more wealth and more political power than Hillary Clinton.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:40 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:[/b]
Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.

You're welcome to make your own thread exclusively discussing Hillary Clinton's life but this is the Trump thread?


Would this really be the Trump thread if nobody went off about CROOKED HILLARY?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:43 pm



The special councel's statement is important because it justifies everybody's anticipation to see what Mueller's next move is. I know that the FBI likes to work from bottom to top, so I expect the charges will become increasingly juicy the more there are.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:43 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:[/b]
Private citizen---no, she is a political celebrity with more than enough wealth and political ties to sitting politicians to make a difference. She is practically a unofficial politician still, or better yet a stateswoman, like Obama is a half-assed statesman ,with a lot of influence and clout.

You're welcome to make your own thread exclusively discussing Hillary Clinton's life but this is the Trump thread?

No worries. But, don't deviate one degree from talking about Trump by bringing any other topic one can think of into the thread, like most of the others.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:46 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:


The special councel's statement is important because it justifies everybody's anticipation to see what Mueller's next move is. I know that the FBI likes to work from bottom to top, so I expect the charges will become increasingly juicy the more there are.

I wouldn't be TOO surprised if, even not Trump himself, some of Trump's family goes down. That should be fun.

How long do you think it will be before more comes out related to others? Weeks? Months?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:48 pm

Corrian wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
The special councel's statement is important because it justifies everybody's anticipation to see what Mueller's next move is. I know that the FBI likes to work from bottom to top, so I expect the charges will become increasingly juicy the more there are.

I wouldn't be TOO surprised if, even not Trump himself, some of Trump's family goes down. That should be fun.

How long do you think it will be before more comes out related to others? Weeks? Months?


I have no idea, but I don't anticipate waiting that long. It seems intuitively unlikely that Mueller would indict Manafort/Gates and Paradopoulos without concluding the rest of the investigation first. Given that, I don't see why Mueller would take too long to indict the others (if there are any).
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Corrian wrote:Breitbart is a piece of shit and so is Gowdy.

But....to me The Post is the same

Not how this works. You don’t get to ideologically decide truth.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Corrian wrote:I wouldn't be TOO surprised if, even not Trump himself, some of Trump's family goes down. That should be fun.

How long do you think it will be before more comes out related to others? Weeks? Months?


I have no idea, but I don't anticipate waiting that long. It seems intuitively unlikely that Mueller would indict Manafort/Gates and Paradopoulos without concluding the rest of the investigation first. Given that, I don't see why Mueller would take too long to indict the others (if there are any).

Well, others you indite might lead to more info into others. This could still take months, if not multiple years.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:But....to me The Post is the same

Not how this works. You don’t get to ideologically decide truth.

Neither does Corrian.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:But....to me The Post is the same

Not how this works. You don’t get to ideologically decide truth.


Someone needs to tell Trump that.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:54 pm

In other news, how many times did you guys have to practice spelling "Papadopoulos" before it stuck?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:54 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Corrian wrote:I wouldn't be TOO surprised if, even not Trump himself, some of Trump's family goes down. That should be fun.

How long do you think it will be before more comes out related to others? Weeks? Months?


I have no idea, but I don't anticipate waiting that long. It seems intuitively unlikely that Mueller would indict Manafort/Gates and Paradopoulos without concluding the rest of the investigation first. Given that, I don't see why Mueller would take too long to indict the others (if there are any).

I suspect, based on talking heads, that you do these indictments because they are ready (Manaforts was already underway when the special council started, which is why some are saying it came first) and the accused now have an opportunity to turn on their bosses and fill in some holes in that case.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:54 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You're welcome to make your own thread exclusively discussing Hillary Clinton's life but this is the Trump thread?

No worries. But, don't deviate one degree from talking about Trump by bringing any other topic one can think of into the thread, like most of the others.


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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:56 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:In other news, how many times did you guys have to practice spelling "Papadopoulos" before it stuck?


It's no use trying to spell Greek names half the time. :p

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:57 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:In other news, how many times did you guys have to practice spelling "Papadopoulos" before it stuck?


I just copy-paste it from other people.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:57 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Not how this works. You don’t get to ideologically decide truth.

Neither does Corrian.

They didn’t. Of course you know that, you’re just playing the Source Blues because the news cycle isn’t going your way and you need to change the subject. Now sush, we’re talking about the four alarm dumpster fire that is the trump presidency and the arrest of a former campaign manager.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:58 pm

Pretty sure Breitbart is pretty known as not being factual, so I am not making up my own truth.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:00 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Mz Clinton still has people that will follow her ideals closely. Even if she never runs again she has a legacy that is still developing. The Clinton's don't go away easily. ....


I would suggest the opposite, that her ideas and legacy are becoming increasingly irrelevant. That's kinda why she lost. But in any case, could you explain how any of this is relevant? Hillary Clinton is a private citizen at this point.


Emphasis mine. Shhh. You don't want to offend both sides by telling the truth, do you? :P


Corrian wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Still, better than Hillary having knowledge about this: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/ ... ency-laws/

Breitbart is a piece of shit and so is Gowdy.


How's Gowdy a piece of shit? His grillings in Congress are quite enjoyable.




Isn't that always the case when they give a reduced sentence for pleading guilty and informing?


36 Camera Perspective wrote:In other news, how many times did you guys have to practice spelling "Papadopoulos" before it stuck?


And you still mispelled it :P

Just messing with ya :P
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