by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:39 am
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by Arkinesia » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:03 am
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by Katganistan » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:04 am
by Destructive Government Economic System » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:25 am
Keshiland literally wrote:I would give it a no. A country that lies about how free, or how great, or how humanitarian it is can never be developed. Example, NK lies and says they are democratic and are not, the US lies and says we are free yet we incarcerate millions for a medical plant. See we are basically a larger more populated North Korea.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:27 am
Destructive Government Economic System wrote:As for the present, well, we have those Middle Eastern countries to think of. A clump of those nations run themselves through a religion that's even more questionable than the Puritanism belief in the late 16th century.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Katganistan » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:33 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Destructive Government Economic System wrote:As for the present, well, we have those Middle Eastern countries to think of. A clump of those nations run themselves through a religion that's even more questionable than the Puritanism belief in the late 16th century.
They're corrupt dictatorships, not Islamic nations.
by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:49 am
Arkinesia wrote:What exactly is a discussion topic you had in mind? I'm interested in this thread as well.
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:51 am
Katganistan wrote:While I am in fact a Christian, I believe in a secular state government.
In the first place, to bring up the US and its constitution simply as an example why -- the founding fathers saw that religion was both used to oppress religious groups that were not the 'state religion' in European nations, and recognized that imposing religious laws on people who did not share that faith was unfair.
For the same reasons, I believe there must be a separation of church and state.
Does this mean that I don't believe the individual has a right to practice his or her own faith, and must hide it? No, absolutely not.
But as an educator in a public school, I will not discuss matters of my personal faith in the classroom. It is inappropriate to impose on a captive audience of young people, especially when they have their own beliefs.
Will I discuss how a writer's religious background shaped their work? Yes.
Will I discuss in terms of English history how Protestantism and Catholicism were tearing apart the nation as backers of each sect fought for the crown? Yes.
Will I explain how the Church of England came into being? Yes.
Will I discuss the Massachusetts Bay Colony and their theocratic system of law when talking about The Crucible? Of course.
Will I acknowledge holidays my students may be celebrating, with a "Have a wonderful Eid/Rosh Hashanah/Lunar New Year?" Yes.
We can have discussions about the different faiths as long as I promote none as being superior; I have told my students that if they want to discuss matters of personal faith they can meet me in the department office (not during class time). I have been a visitor at the Christian, Jewish and Muslim clubs at my school as well.
What I find cringey is trying to impose religious beliefs on the unwilling through acts of law. That is not ok, not ever. So don't bar people from saying a quick grace over their own meal, or praying in a public place (though the Bible has its say on that, if done with the intention of being very public and attention seeking) but also don't force people to be a captive audience by insisting on a prayer everyone must listen to/take part of in a secular setting. Like a football game.
Matters of faith should be personal, not imposed through legislation. Otherwise, they are utterly meaningless. People should want to follow their faith out of a deep desire for what they consider good, not be forced to it unwilling.
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by Arkinesia » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:04 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Arkinesia wrote:What exactly is a discussion topic you had in mind? I'm interested in this thread as well.
I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Destructive Government Economic System » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:07 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Arkinesia wrote:What exactly is a discussion topic you had in mind? I'm interested in this thread as well.
I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
Keshiland literally wrote:I would give it a no. A country that lies about how free, or how great, or how humanitarian it is can never be developed. Example, NK lies and says they are democratic and are not, the US lies and says we are free yet we incarcerate millions for a medical plant. See we are basically a larger more populated North Korea.
by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:42 am
Arkinesia wrote:Prestrainiskiy wrote:I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
I think pushing for better education standards is a path with lesser resistance and a path to improved prosperity outcomes. The rest of socially progressive policy is itself a natural product of that state of affairs.
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:46 am
Destructive Government Economic System wrote:Prestrainiskiy wrote:I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
If you don't mind, what country do you even live in, or at least what continent? The reason why I'm asking this is because you seem to be living in the most non-secular place in the entire world.
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:48 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Destructive Government Economic System wrote:
If you don't mind, what country do you even live in, or at least what continent? The reason why I'm asking this is because you seem to be living in the most non-secular place in the entire world.
I live in a Southeast-Asian country (definitely not Singapore), the Philippines, in particular. I hate this place so much, if not for my national pride (i really lack national pride, but I feel like it's a quest for me to change this nation, delusional I know), i would've fucking left this goddamned shithole of a country.
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:52 am
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by Destructive Government Economic System » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:02 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Prestrainiskiy wrote:
I live in a Southeast-Asian country (definitely not Singapore), the Philippines, in particular. I hate this place so much, if not for my national pride (i really lack national pride, but I feel like it's a quest for me to change this nation, delusional I know), i would've fucking left this goddamned shithole of a country.
The educational system is a fucking piece of crap. I hate the education system here so much. You don't learn anything, facility-wise, facilities are shit. TOILETS ARE GODDAMNED CLOGGED. CLOGGED!
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Now if you're offended by my statements, LIVE HERE. Live here for a change and see what I mean.
Keshiland literally wrote:I would give it a no. A country that lies about how free, or how great, or how humanitarian it is can never be developed. Example, NK lies and says they are democratic and are not, the US lies and says we are free yet we incarcerate millions for a medical plant. See we are basically a larger more populated North Korea.
by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:22 am
Destructive Government Economic System wrote:Prestrainiskiy wrote:
The educational system is a fucking piece of crap. I hate the education system here so much. You don't learn anything, facility-wise, facilities are shit. TOILETS ARE GODDAMNED CLOGGED. CLOGGED!
This is an overused sentence that everybody uses when having concern over others, but people say it for a reason: because they truly do feel concerned.
That sentence is: I send my best wishes in which you may improve the quality of your lifestyle.Prestrainiskiy wrote:Now if you're offended by my statements, LIVE HERE. Live here for a change and see what I mean.
My mother came from China, and she said that it's a great country. I wouldn't want to live in Asian countries, like, at all. One of those reasons is because they literally eat domestic canines for celebratory purposes. It's just too chaotic and poverty is really common in that place (as a whole).
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by Hakons » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:39 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Arkinesia wrote:What exactly is a discussion topic you had in mind? I'm interested in this thread as well.
I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
by Hakons » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:49 am
by Belle Ilse en Terre » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:56 am
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Arkinesia wrote:What exactly is a discussion topic you had in mind? I'm interested in this thread as well.
I live in a very religious country, and I AM PISSED by the way religion holds our legislators by the neck. Our population is uncontrollable, poverty is everywhere, though I see my nation's overattachment to religion as a barrier for pro-contraception, even abortion, laws that will hopefully help distribute national resources in a small amount of people and reduce, even eradicate poverty altogether.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:02 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:23 pm
Prestrainiskiy wrote:Destructive Government Economic System wrote:
If you don't mind, what country do you even live in, or at least what continent? The reason why I'm asking this is because you seem to be living in the most non-secular place in the entire world.
I live in a Southeast-Asian country (definitely not Singapore), the Philippines, in particular. I hate this place so much, if not for my national pride (i really lack national pride, but I feel like it's a quest for me to change this nation, delusional I know), i would've fucking left this goddamned shithole of a country.
Catholic zealots shitting over my government. They're assholes. I hope they all burn in hell.
WE REPEALED A GAY RIGHTS LAW, just because the zealots worked their bureaucratic magic. Oh wow. WOW.
by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:55 pm
Hakons wrote:I don't have a high opinion of secularism. I think people tend to take it to far. Religion is not a "private matter." Religious people must be able to express their beliefs in public. Government officials and employees should be free to talk about religion. They can even verbally encourage certain views, but they cannot force citizens to adopt those views. As for legislating religious principals, I don't see how this is different from legislating non-religious principals. Both come from a source of ethics. Secular ethics are not magically better than religious ethics (and I would say secular ethics have already need strongly influenced by religion).
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:58 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:True secularism is impossible because it is religion that created most of our cultural ideas of morality. When you remove the absoluteness of religious reasoning from moral discussions, then anything that can be argued for can be justified with enough public support.
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by Prestrainiskiy » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:00 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Prestrainiskiy wrote:
I live in a Southeast-Asian country (definitely not Singapore), the Philippines, in particular. I hate this place so much, if not for my national pride (i really lack national pride, but I feel like it's a quest for me to change this nation, delusional I know), i would've fucking left this goddamned shithole of a country.
Catholic zealots shitting over my government. They're assholes. I hope they all burn in hell.
WE REPEALED A GAY RIGHTS LAW, just because the zealots worked their bureaucratic magic. Oh wow. WOW.
No, we didn't.
If you hate this place so much, well, I'm not going to tell you to leave but hey it sounds like you're capable of taking that route. If you're not going to leave, well, then you're pretty much stuck here hating everything, aren't you?
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by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:01 pm
Prestrainiskiy wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:True secularism is impossible because it is religion that created most of our cultural ideas of morality. When you remove the absoluteness of religious reasoning from moral discussions, then anything that can be argued for can be justified with enough public support.
What I want is an ethical state, not a moral one.
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