Erdogan wants Turkish bases in Saudi

[Olerand]

Fun Fact:The Maltese language is a descendant of Arabic.

Huh, a Semitic language using Latin writing? Interesting

Another language also does, though it is not official and is more colloquial, often used in texting, internet, and everyday communications rather than official documents or works.

[Athrax]

Where's Atatürk where you need him?

Spinning in his grave. Maybe Erdogan will use that to power the nation cheaply

[Athrax]

Huh, a Semitic language using Latin writing? Interesting

Another language also does, though it is not official and is more colloquial, often used in texting, internet, and everyday communications rather than official documents or works.

I know French has had a big influence on Lebanese Arabic (most of my professors in that language have been Lebonese), but I had no idea there was even an informal language arisen

[Olerand]

Another language also does, though it is not official and is more colloquial, often used in texting, internet, and everyday communications rather than official documents or works.

I know French has had a big influence on Lebanese Arabic (most of my professors in that language have been Lebonese), but I had no idea there was even an informal language arisen

Indeed. Said Akl was a Lebanese nationalist, and thus an anti-Arab essentially, and wanted to differentiate Lebanon from the rest of the Arab world and tie it more to its (somewhat ambiguous) Phoenician roots.

His language never kicked off officially and replaced Arabic as the language of State, but it has in society, where common communication is often done through it as Lebanese Arabic includes numerous French and English words that are not present in Arabic.
Similarly to Maghrebian dialects and French, though no attempts at making their own language has occurred there, for the opposite political reason (the Maghreb wanted to emphasize its Arab identity).

[Northwestern Scenario]

This is an example of what we call Neo-Ottomanism.

I think this would have a positive effect on Saudi Arabia, but, ultimately, Turkey ought to remain separate and detached from the Arab World.

[The Two Jerseys]

This is an example of what we call Neo-Ottomanism.

Paging Colonel Lawrence, paging Colonel T.E. Lawrence, please pick up the white courtesy telephone...

[Outer Sparta]

Erdogan and King Salman join hand-in-hand? They could try to forge an alliance with al-Sisi and Duterte, but that's another story.

[Gauthier]

Two of our worst allies are trying to join forces. We're just lucky the Saudis said no or the ME would be ripe for a region wide theocracy. If we ever get rid of ISIS and set up a stable, secular democracy in Iraq, we should abandon those two regimes (and maybe a few others while we're at it) the first chance we get. We never should've dabbled in realpolitik in the first place.

Turkey is actually one of the more secular countries in the Middle East, compared to the Gulf states. It is nowhere near a theocracy, for all the failings of the current government and its pandering to a few religious conservatives.

At least until Erdogan gets his way completely.

[Uxupox]

Erdogan and King Salman join hand-in-hand? They could try to forge an alliance with al-Sisi and Duterte, but that's another story.

Why would the Philippines align themselves with Middle Eastern countries?

[Athrax]

Turkey is actually one of the more secular countries in the Middle East, compared to the Gulf states. It is nowhere near a theocracy, for all the failings of the current government and its pandering to a few religious conservatives.

At least until Erdogan gets his way completely.

He has been rather rapidly undermining the Kemalist secualar "democracy" by aligning himself with Islamist lite elements

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Where's Atatürk where you need him?

Spinning in his grave. Maybe Erdogan will use that to power the nation cheaply

Poor Atatürk is spinning in his grave so much he's probably drilled to the core of the Earth and back by now.

[Baltenstein]

Erdogan usual foreign policy approach of pulling rapid 180 turns in Turkey's relations with other countries continues.

I doubt anything will come out of this. Turkey's and SA's interests in the Middle East align in some cases (like Syria) but are diametrically opposed in others (like Egypt). Seeing how Erdogan was the very first foreign leader to slam SA's embargo of Qatar, I don't see why the Saudis would feel the need to reward him with a foreign policy success.

EDIT:

As expected, SA told Turkey to get lost.

Saudi Arabia has said a Turkish military base similar to that built in neighbouring Qatar would not be welcome in the kingdom, insisting it is “not needed.”

The June 17 statement came after President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan reportedly said he had offered to build a military base in the Muslim kingdom shortly after work began on Turkey’s facility in Qatar.

Ankara is trying to help defuse a diplomatic crisis that led Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain, as well as Egypt and other countries, to sever ties with Qatar, which is a strong ally of Ankara.

“The kingdom cannot allow Turkey to set up a military base on its territory,” said a statement carried by the SPA state news agency.

The statement, quoting an unnamed official, said Saudi Arabia “does not need such thing,” adding that its armed forces and military capabilities were “at the best standards.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudi- ... sCatID=352

[Tokora]

Erdogan usual foreign policy approach of pulling rapid 180 turns in Turkey's relations with other countries continues.

I doubt anything will come out of this. Turkey's and SA's interests in the Middle East align in some cases (like Syria) but are diametrically opposed in others (like Egypt). Seeing how Erdogan was the very first foreign leader to slam SA's embargo of Qatar, I don't see why the Saudis would feel the need to reward him with a foreign policy success.

EDIT:

As expected, SA told Turkey to get lost.

Now if only the US had that kind of common sense.

[Dylar]

I can't believe Turkey didn't get involved in WW2. I'm kinda disappointed.

They were still recovering from the Ottoman Empire's bankruptcy. That and they too dealt with the Great Depression, iirc.

[Outer Sparta]

Erdogan and King Salman join hand-in-hand? They could try to forge an alliance with al-Sisi and Duterte, but that's another story.

Why would the Philippines align themselves with Middle Eastern countries?

I don't know, maybe to form a triumvirate of dictators?

[Outer Sparta]

Where's Atatürk where you need him?

Ghost Ataturk would be a better leader than Erdogan is or ever be.

[Baltenstein]

I can't believe Turkey didn't get involved in WW2. I'm kinda disappointed.

They were still recovering from the Ottoman Empire's bankruptcy. That and they too dealt with the Great Depression, iirc.

There actually were pan-Turkist circles inside Turkey during the first years of WW2 who were in contact with the Nazi German government and who were heavily lobbying for entering the war on the Axis' side, having been promised territorial gains carved out of the Soviet Union's corpse by the Nazis.

Luckily (for Turkey that is) the Inönü government sticked to strict neutrality.

[Cobeidha]

Hi, I'm an actual Gulf Arab from Kuwait. First I'd like to say not all of us are a theocracy like KSA, just to make it clear. Kuwait for example has a democratic government in place.

Anywho, I dont want Turkish bases in the Arabian Peninsula, and they should simply fuck off. I share the same sentiment as most GCC citizens here when dealing with this crisis.

[Shofercia]

Hi, I'm an actual Gulf Arab from Kuwait. First I'd like to say not all of us are a theocracy like KSA, just to make it clear. Kuwait for example has a democratic government in place.

Anywho, I dont want Turkish bases in the Arabian Peninsula, and they should simply fuck off. I share the same sentiment as most GCC citizens here when dealing with this crisis.

Just out of curiosity, how's life in Kuwait?

[Uxupox]

Hi, I'm an actual Gulf Arab from Kuwait. First I'd like to say not all of us are a theocracy like KSA, just to make it clear. Kuwait for example has a democratic government in place.

Anywho, I dont want Turkish bases in the Arabian Peninsula, and they should simply fuck off. I share the same sentiment as most GCC citizens here when dealing with this crisis.

Just out of curiosity, how's life in Kuwait?

sandy.

[Dylar]

Just out of curiosity, how's life in Kuwait?

sandy.

I hate sand...

[Internationalist Bastard]

Makes sense, you want to reestablish yourself as a superpower but it's hard to invade countries these days. So, just try to male yourself the most important nation in the region

[Tokora]

They were still recovering from the Ottoman Empire's bankruptcy. That and they too dealt with the Great Depression, iirc.

There actually were pan-Turkist circles inside Turkey during the first years of WW2 who were in contact with the Nazi German government and who were heavily lobbying for entering the war on the Axis' side, having been promised territorial gains carved out of the Soviet Union's corpse by the Nazis.

Luckily (for Turkey that is) the Inönü government sticked to strict neutrality.

I still think they'd be better off today if they gave us an excuse to liberate them and carve something out for the Kurds.