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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:05 pm

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Because he doesn't have to be good, he only has to be better than Hillary Clinton. A candidate so bad, my cat buries superior choices every day. Also, to perhaps dispel some confusion, guns and abortion, that's why.

This brings us to the issue of a broken electorate system, I agree with Conservative Morality on that issue. As long as this FPTP electoral college exists, we will continue experiencing a race to the bottom with candidates.


Hillary is a career liar and asshole, but not to the extent of Trump. I'd rather have her in the Oval Office. I'm very pro 2nd amendment, and even I'd rather have Hillary.

I'd prefer a Presidential System akin to the one in France, where we have two rounds. Many states have it, I could see it working here. Or, better yet, a proportional system, but for our country, that is totally unrealistic.


I think the difference is a matter of degree. You say you're very pro 2nd Amendment, and yet you're willing to tolerate a candidate that pushes for an 'assault weapon' ban.

"We need to get the military style assault weapons off of our streets" is right next to "We need to exterminate the Jews" in my handbook of 'Absolutely unacceptable beliefs'.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:08 pm

Telconi wrote:I think the difference is a matter of degree. You say you're very pro 2nd Amendment, and yet you're willing to tolerate a candidate that pushes for an 'assault weapon' ban.

"We need to get the military style assault weapons off of our streets" is right next to "We need to exterminate the Jews" in my handbook of 'Absolutely unacceptable beliefs'.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Telconi wrote:I think the difference is a matter of degree. You say you're very pro 2nd Amendment, and yet you're willing to tolerate a candidate that pushes for an 'assault weapon' ban.

"We need to get the military style assault weapons off of our streets" is right next to "We need to exterminate the Jews" in my handbook of 'Absolutely unacceptable beliefs'.

...

Are you taking the piss?


Uh ... no?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:32 pm

Maybe it'll collapse and we'll see the rise of something else. Maybe the West will continue to thrive as it always had. Maybe it's Maybelline.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:34 pm

Unless I am mistaken, it seems the OP's so called Western Civilization is just the US, Canada and Europe. Western civilization is much larger then that.

Peru is Western civilization with a strong native flare.
The combination of a strong Spanish influence with a rich indigenous (native) heritage has shaped Peru's traditions, politics, and culture.


Read this report some students wrote from the University of Warsaw on the future of Peru which is part of Western civilization - https://usosapps.uw.edu.pl/apps/f/upDn3HzX/Peru2050.pdf

For those that still have trouble seeing Peru has Western civilization take a look at this Peruvian of Tyrolean/German descent. They migrated there in the mid 19 century.
Photo - http://esosi.org/mm/Peru3-m.jpg
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:36 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Unless I am mistaken, it seems the OP's so called Western Civilization is just the US, Canada and Europe. Western civilization is much larger then that.

Peru is Western civilization with a strong native flare.
The combination of a strong Spanish influence with a rich indigenous (native) heritage has shaped Peru's traditions, politics, and culture.


Read this report some students wrote from the University of Warsaw on the future of Peru which is part of Western civilization - https://usosapps.uw.edu.pl/apps/f/upDn3HzX/Peru2050.pdf

For those that still have trouble seeing Peru has Western civilization take a look at this Peruvian of Tyrolean/German descent. They migrated there in the mid 19 century.
Photo - http://esosi.org/mm/Peru3-m.jpg

Their water supply is also still horrible
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:42 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Unless I am mistaken, it seems the OP's so called Western Civilization is just the US, Canada and Europe. Western civilization is much larger then that.

Peru is Western civilization with a strong native flare.
The combination of a strong Spanish influence with a rich indigenous (native) heritage has shaped Peru's traditions, politics, and culture.


Read this report some students wrote from the University of Warsaw on the future of Peru which is part of Western civilization - https://usosapps.uw.edu.pl/apps/f/upDn3HzX/Peru2050.pdf

For those that still have trouble seeing Peru has Western civilization take a look at this Peruvian of Tyrolean/German descent. They migrated there in the mid 19 century.
Photo - http://esosi.org/mm/Peru3-m.jpg


Don't forget about Australia and New Zealand.


And no I wouldn't say Peru, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, or even Uruguay are really part of the West. Just because a country is highly developed (e.g. Japan, Israel) and has cultural links to Western Europe (e.g. Brazil, Russia) doesn't mean it is part of "Western Civilization".
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:47 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:Unless I am mistaken, it seems the OP's so called Western Civilization is just the US, Canada and Europe. Western civilization is much larger then that.

Peru is Western civilization with a strong native flare.


Read this report some students wrote from the University of Warsaw on the future of Peru which is part of Western civilization - https://usosapps.uw.edu.pl/apps/f/upDn3HzX/Peru2050.pdf

For those that still have trouble seeing Peru has Western civilization take a look at this Peruvian of Tyrolean/German descent. They migrated there in the mid 19 century.
Photo - http://esosi.org/mm/Peru3-m.jpg

Their water supply is also still horrible


The new President is especially trying to improve water infrastructure.
Read this -
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/news/wate ... s-in-2017/
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:48 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Their water supply is also still horrible


The new President is especially trying to improve water infrastructure.
Read this -
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/news/wate ... s-in-2017/

Oh don't get me wrong, Perus made amazing strides in development.
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Postby United Gackle » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:53 pm

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New Werpland wrote:I don't know really. We elected Donald despite not really being in that bad of an economic situation and partially due to outrage that certain people were taking jobs no one else wanted.

We 'elected' Trump because our electoral and party system are both legendarily fucked.

America elected Trump because they didn't want Terrorist Hillary getting in who murdered Americans in cold blood

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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:09 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
The new President is especially trying to improve water infrastructure.
Read this -
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/news/wate ... s-in-2017/

Oh don't get me wrong, Perus made amazing strides in development.


Ever heard of the Conglomerate Grupo Gloria of Peru.
Read this its short - http://www.grupogloria.com/quienesE.html

They own one of our two major milk companies "Suiza Milk". They are currently investing $30 million in the NW city of Aguadilla PR. to construct a state of the art production facility to process milk and different types of juices for long lasting packaging. They are bringing in the latest state of the art machinery from Europe. Supposedly, not even the US had this advanced machinery. This will make it possible for them to expand there exports in the Caribbean and US. They already export to Florida but this will make it possible for it to be increased.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:17 pm

United Gackle wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:We 'elected' Trump because our electoral and party system are both legendarily fucked.

America elected Trump because they didn't want Terrorist Hillary getting in who murdered Americans in cold blood

Never forget Benghazi

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:20 pm

I see the future of western civilization to be bleak. It is losing out against Islamic fundamentalists so long as ruinously naive beliefs such as a full embrace of globalization continues to prevail. In these uncertain times, we need leaders who're like Danzo Shimura from Naruto for example. The closest the real world has to that is Donald Trump, but unfortunately- he is not quite militant enough to live up to that ideal. But he does come across as a person willing to protect the US and by extension, the rest of the developed world if push comes to shove.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:23 pm

Saiwania wrote:I see the future of western civilization to be bleak. It is losing out against Islamic fundamentalists so long as ruinously naive beliefs such as a full embrace of globalization continues to prevail. In these uncertain times, we need leaders who're like Danzo Shimura from Naruto for example. The closest the real world has to that is Donald Trump, but unfortunately- he is not quite militant enough to live up to that ideal. But he does come across as a person willing to protect the US and by extension, the rest of the developed world if push comes to shove.

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While the total collapse of Western civilization is always possible, I don't see it happening.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:25 pm

Saiwania wrote:I see the future of western civilization to be bleak. It is losing out against Islamic fundamentalists so long as ruinously naive beliefs such as a full embrace of globalization continues to prevail. In these uncertain times, we need leaders who're like Danzo Shimura from Naruto for example. The closest the real world has to that is Donald Trump, but unfortunately- he is not quite militant enough to live up to that ideal. But he does come across as a person willing to protect the US and by extension, the rest of the developed world if push comes to shove.

See it's shit like this that makes me not take you seriously.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:28 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:He was a terrorist


Danzo was the greatest hokage in my opinion, who deserved to rule over the village. As cool as the Uchiha were, they were still a threat that the Leaf was ultimately better off without. He simply did whatever was necessary for Konoha's continued strength and survival. The US but especially European nations, need strongmen like that wielding political power.

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:29 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170418-how-western-civilisation-could-collapse

The political economist Benjamin Friedman once compared modern Western society to a stable bicycle whose wheels are kept spinning by economic growth. Should that forward-propelling motion slow or cease, the pillars that define our society – democracy, individual liberties, social tolerance and more – would begin to teeter. Our world would become an increasingly ugly place, one defined by a scramble over limited resources and a rejection of anyone outside of our immediate group. Should we find no way to get the wheels back in motion, we’d eventually face total societal collapse.

While it’s impossible to predict the future with certainty, mathematics, science and history can provide hints about the prospects of Western societies for long-term continuation.

Safa Motesharrei, a systems scientist at the University of Maryland, uses computer models to gain a deeper understanding of the mechanisms that can lead to local or global sustainability or collapse. According to findings that Motesharrei and his colleagues published in 2014, there are two factors that matter: ecological strain and economic stratification. The ecological category is the more widely understood and recognised path to potential doom, especially in terms of depletion of natural resources such as groundwater, soil, fisheries and forests – all of which could be worsened by climate change.


NSG, where do you think our global Western civilization is heading? Do you think we'll be able to reverse the trends of ecological strain and economic stratification we're seeing today while maintaining our civil liberties and freedoms?


Until Western Civilization learns self reflection, it's going to continue to spiral downward. For instance, America preaches Democracy, yet two parties, both of whom are huge beneficiaries of the Electoral College, are the ones to decide whether the Electoral College should leave or stay. America preaches Human Rights, but has policies that curtail Social Rights abroad and Civil Rights at home. Looking at the Patriot Act and the TSA. America meddles in the elections and politics of other countries repeatedly, but when someone allegedly does it to the US, let there be wailing and gnashing of teeth. And so on...

The EU isn't much better. The EU preaches anti-racism, yet enacts programs that, when combined, have been rapidly promoting it. The EU preaches openness in politics, yet has a system that most people don't want to vote in, partly because it's too confusing to understand.

And anyone who points this out gets a response of "hurr durr your country/philosophy/religion sucks". But without self reflection, the downward spiral will, inevitably, continue.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:29 pm

Assuming the leftists can get out of their own way, then i see no reason Western Civilization is in danger. Simultaneously bemoaning the danger to civil liberties posed by conservatives while inviting in those who would murder or outlaw those who exercise certain civil liberties in the name of tolerance and love is beyond insane.

Western civilization can be saved if we revisit our immigration issues in both the Americas and in Europe.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:30 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:He was a terrorist


Danzo was the greatest hokage in my opinion, who deserved to rule over the village. As cool as the Uchiha were, they were still a threat that the Leaf was ultimately better off without. He simply did whatever was necessary for Konoha's continued strength and survival. The US but especially European nations, need strongmen like that wielding political power.

Your unhealthy obsession with authoritarianism aside this is not a Naruto thread.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:32 pm

I doubt we will do this, but I hope we will embrace moral conservatism and economic collectivism. If we don't, I think we will continue to degenerate.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I doubt we will do this, but I hope we will embrace moral conservatism and economic collectivism. If we don't, I think we will continue to degenerate.

...So we should embrace Islam?
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:Your unhealthy obsession with authoritarianism aside this is not a Naruto thread.


I acknowledge that certain policies that Trump wanted such as a Muslim ban, aren't feasible under the status quo, but the compromise towards that which bans all travel from only a handful of Middle Eastern countries instead, I view that as an acceptable alternative. Trump has sufficiently fulfilled a campaign promise in that regard. He went as far as he could but failing to go all the way, he still got through a ban of sorts that was sorely needed.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Your unhealthy obsession with authoritarianism aside this is not a Naruto thread.


I acknowledge that certain policies that Trump wanted such as a Muslim ban, aren't feasible under the status quo, but the compromise towards that which bans all travel from only a handful of Middle Eastern countries instead, I view that as an acceptable alternative. Trump has sufficiently fulfilled a campaign promise in that regard.

Or moral, or constitutional.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I doubt we will do this, but I hope we will embrace moral conservatism and economic collectivism. If we don't, I think we will continue to degenerate.

...So we should embrace Islam?

I don't think so, mainly because I think Islam is a false religion, but a false religion would still be better than the atheistic future we are headed towards. I think we should embrace traditionalist Christianity again.
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