Questers wrote:I did a Gallan thing today. I replaced FV432 with a turretless Warrior. May God have mercy on my soul.
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by Celibrae » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:33 am
Questers wrote:I did a Gallan thing today. I replaced FV432 with a turretless Warrior. May God have mercy on my soul.
by Tekeristan » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:37 am
by Gallia- » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:Much of the US State Department's leadership just resigned. Is this just the beginning of an exodus of government personnel who want nothing to do with the current administration? Even if it isn't, this doesn't bode well for the confidence government employees will have in their leadership.
Newt Gingrich said that any federal employee who voted Dem should be fired.
Luckily, no-one cares what he thinks.
More worrying is the dismissal of all US ambassadors without replacement. This leaves the US without diplomatic ties to any country, including ones where the relationship is very sensitive. It also suggests that Trump would want to fill all ambassadorial positions with idealogues and lackies - Ivanka has apparently expressed interest in becoming the US ambassador to the Czech Republic.
by Erutenia » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:21 am
Autonomous Eastern Ukraine wrote:Burning your own country doesn't seem like the best plan to me.
by Austrasien » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:24 pm
by The Soodean Imperium » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:02 pm
Tekeristan wrote:Well, that helps a lot!
In terms of torpedoes, the question is that since they're in a cargo container (since dropping undisguised mines will likely be harder to get away with), is how to disperse them. I do suppose that having GPS access would probably be helpful for that (guided torpedo mines), in which case, an underwater gps anchor might be quite helpful.
Automatic door release with a non-water proof container.. Paint the torpedoes sand colored.. Maybe a few magnetic?
@ Allanea
Floating into a hostile strait that's also surrounded by city to lay mines without any visual cover is probably along the lines of 'dangerous'.
by Tekeristan » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:40 pm
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Tekeristan wrote:Well, that helps a lot!
In terms of torpedoes, the question is that since they're in a cargo container (since dropping undisguised mines will likely be harder to get away with), is how to disperse them. I do suppose that having GPS access would probably be helpful for that (guided torpedo mines), in which case, an underwater gps anchor might be quite helpful.
Automatic door release with a non-water proof container.. Paint the torpedoes sand colored.. Maybe a few magnetic?
@ Allanea
Floating into a hostile strait that's also surrounded by city to lay mines without any visual cover is probably along the lines of 'dangerous'.
Akasha already covered most of this, but if you want to do covert minelaying, the challenge is to disguise the ship, not the mines.
The Iraqi minelaying barge Jumariya should come to mind, along with any number of other proposals to convert cargo ships to covert minelayers. An internal moon pool would make the minelaying even harder to detect. Once released, the mines will either sink to the bottom or be anchored at a preset depth, so what they look like is irrelevant as long as they're not visible from outside the ship.
e: it might still look suspicious, especially if inspectors ask to come on board, but it's still less conspicuous than sending a cargo ship to dump floating 40' containers over the sides in full view of everyone on both sides of the canal.
by Crookfur » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:04 pm
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Tekeristan wrote:Well, that helps a lot!
In terms of torpedoes, the question is that since they're in a cargo container (since dropping undisguised mines will likely be harder to get away with), is how to disperse them. I do suppose that having GPS access would probably be helpful for that (guided torpedo mines), in which case, an underwater gps anchor might be quite helpful.
Automatic door release with a non-water proof container.. Paint the torpedoes sand colored.. Maybe a few magnetic?
@ Allanea
Floating into a hostile strait that's also surrounded by city to lay mines without any visual cover is probably along the lines of 'dangerous'.
Akasha already covered most of this, but if you want to do covert minelaying, the challenge is to disguise the ship, not the mines.
The Iraqi minelaying barge Jumariya should come to mind, along with any number of other proposals to convert cargo ships to covert minelayers. An internal moon pool would make the minelaying even harder to detect. Once released, the mines will either sink to the bottom or be anchored at a preset depth, so what they look like is irrelevant as long as they're not visible from outside the ship.
e: it might still look suspicious, especially if inspectors ask to come on board, but it's still less conspicuous than sending a cargo ship to dump floating 40' containers over the sides in full view of everyone on both sides of the canal.
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:10 pm
Gondolaulus wrote:DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
i'd say SKS are fine rifles themselves anyway.
you don't really need full auto fire capability for dumb conscripts/militia/peasants anyway as they'll just waste their ammo pointlessly and desert when they realize
It's easier to maintain - and produce - spair parts of one rifle rather than multiple.
The Soodean Imperium wrote:DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
i'd say SKS are fine rifles themselves anyway.
you don't really need full auto fire capability for dumb conscripts/militia/peasants anyway as they'll just waste their ammo pointlessly and desert when they realize
And yet dumb conscripts, militia, peasants, insurgents, and actual child soldiers have been using AKMs for fifty years with no major complaints.
Prosorusiya wrote:Ok, so maybe I will stockpile some RPDs and DPVs. What do you think of retaining some SKS? I use AKMs\RPKs for my Internal Troops, so these weapons would be third line arms that would be stored in arsenals and not issued unless we were actually at war and needed to mobilize\replace a large number of troops (and in such a case they might go to the Internal Troops first).
"Faster rate of fire means they'll waste ammo and shoot less accurate" is a dead meme from the middle of the 19th century. Er, unless you're proposing an assault rifle that can fire at 1200 rpm or something.
Puz can sperg the details but basically AFAIK there's no real reason to choose SKS over AKM for reservists and militia.
Korva wrote:God forbid the soldiers actually shoot their bullets, they'll run our ammunition foundries dry!
The action was also modified, replacing the fully automatic setting with a three-round burst setting.[137] When using a fully automatic weapon, inexperienced troops often hold down the trigger and "spray" when under fire. The U.S. Army concluded that three-shot groups provide an optimum combination of ammunition conservation, accuracy, and firepower.[141] The USMC has retired the M16A2 in favour of the newer M16A4, although a few M16A2s are still in use by the United States Marine Corps today. Many M16A2s remain in service with the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard.
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by Korva » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:22 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:31 pm
Korva wrote:1) If they are so poorly trained that they run dry with fully automatic weapons they will run dry in a slightly longer amount of time with semi-automatic weapons. Cyclic rate isn't sustained rate, even (especially?) with panicked soldiers. Supply chains will be fine, infantry ammunition is just one small component of the things needed at the front.
2)a The US Army doesn't always make the best decisions.
2)b The US is afflicted with the "Every man a Rifleman" Meme. Maybe our frontier culture?
3) How many militaries do you see now adopting or having adopted semi/burst only rifles?
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:35 pm
Korva wrote:1) If they are so poorly trained that they run dry with fully automatic weapons they will run dry in a slightly longer amount of time with semi-automatic weapons. Cyclic rate isn't sustained rate, even (especially?) with panicked soldiers. Supply chains will be fine, infantry ammunition is just one small component of the things needed at the front.
2)a The US Army doesn't always make the best decisions.
2)b The US is afflicted with the "Every man a Rifleman" Meme. Maybe our frontier culture?
3) How many militaries do you see now adopting or having adopted semi/burst only rifles?
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:36 pm
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
M16A2 has burst, and AFAIK most M16A4s issued to US personnel are also burst. M16A3 is only issued to a small number of units.
The original M4 was also burst, and initially M4A1s were only issued for SOF use. The Marines I think use the M4. The Army have only recently started converting their M4s to M4A1s, however, unlike the Marines, the M4 isn't the Army's main rifle.
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:38 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
M16A2 has burst, and AFAIK most M16A4s issued to US personnel are also burst. M16A3 is only issued to a small number of units.
The original M4 was also burst, and initially M4A1s were only issued for SOF use. The Marines I think use the M4. The Army have only recently started converting their M4s to M4A1s, however, unlike the Marines, the M4 isn't the Army's main rifle.
The US was also of the opinion for quite some time that assault rifles were dumb and that muh marksmanship would carry the day using the M14.
The Army has been in the process of switching over to the M4A1 while the Marines, who are the biggest believers in "muh riflemen" held out until last year before switching over to the M4A1 from the M16A4. Their transition was faster because the Marines are a smaller force.
Which means that the US military is transitioning away from burst-fire weapons in favor of fully automatic weapons across the board, with the only burst-fire weapons being the leftover M16s sticking around in inventory for rear-line use.
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by IceBuddha » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:39 pm
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:43 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:45 pm
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:The US military in terms of Army/Marines/Navy also happens to be a fully professional military . . .
by Padnak » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:46 pm
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by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:49 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:The US military in terms of Army/Marines/Navy also happens to be a fully professional military . . .
The draft/professional status of the US military has never been a factor in choosing rifle firing modes.
The M16A1 was fielded when the US still had an active draft and was fully automatic. The M14 was also introduced as an automatic weapon while the US had a drafted force.
The M16A2 which introduced the burst-fire mode was introduced after the US transitioned to an all-volunteer force and ended the draft.
The US still has an all-volunteer force and brought back fully automatic fire with M4A1.
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:55 pm
IceBuddha wrote:My 2 cents:
Three round burst is a crutch for poorly trained troops.
Riflemen with assault rifles should only seldomly engage in full-auto fire. At most combat ranges, rapid semi-auto fire is better both for suppression and for actually hitting your target. I think the reason that aimed fire and individual marksmanship is emphasized is that blind, "suppressive" fire seems to be a natural impulse for most people who are under fire and who can't see their enemy.
Using surplus stocks of SKS rifles for third line troops is okay as an interim measure. The main problem with them is the low capacity, non-detachable magazine. I would say if you are capable of giving them something a little more modern (AKM or AK-74), give them that.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:05 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by Taihei Tengoku » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:10 pm
by Questers » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:16 pm
The biggest Army to still have conscription is both North and South Koreas. I dont know what the North uses, but South Korea uses M16s and its own rifle which I think is basically an M16.DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:In all fairness, if you're a conscript on Earth today you're most likely getting a AKM or AK-74 or variant when mobilized.
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