What has he done to deserve an NS peace prize?
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by Socialist Nordia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:37 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:39 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:43 pm
by New Dukaine » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:45 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:56 pm
New Dukaine wrote:I will nominate Justin Trudeau because he is the only world leader that hasn't made their country fall into chaos.
Also, he is a really, really good leader, and has lead Canada really well so far. I personally wish he was our president in the US, but that's not the point. He is also the son of one of the best prime ministers of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He has influential and widely accepted beliefs. I think he is fit to receive a nomination.
by Neutraligon » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:11 pm
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:It's a sad sort of situation when you have a hard time thinking of organizations who are actually actively, and legitimately, working towards peace out there in the world. We have a number of groups loudly protesting, or flag-waving, or shouting about this, that, or the other problem, but I wouldn't quite categorize their efforts as either peaceful, or encouraging peace. Some have been mentioned here already, others have not.
I cannot, for reasons I would hope might be obvious, list any American political personages. Those operating under the delusion that anything most of these people are doing is for the greater good, for selfless reasons, or for any actual peace, may need to re-examine things minus the rose-colored glasses. (That's just an opinion, mind you. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular.)
Doctors Without Borders continues to be an organization that does what it can to help those least able to help themselves, and usually, the least responsible for the horrible things going on in the worst areas of the world - the innocent bystanders, the civilians who don't know where to turn, what to do, and who are caught between two or more warring factions, and invariably, being the ones paying the ultimate price for it. That said, they've been nominated and won already.
Perhaps a spin on that, then -the doctors, nurses, and others who are working in the underground hospitals and other such places in Aleppo, primarily, and other targeted cities this past year. The people who have been attempting, without sufficient water, power, tools, medicine, without sanitary conditions, and under threat of, or actual bombardment, still valiantly attempting to do what they can to save lives.
The people doing brain surgery on blood-soaked floors in the middle of recovery rooms because there is no other option. The people working feverishly to remove ball bearings from the spines, brains, livers, and other parts of children who have been hit by cluster bombs with the markings of supposedly 'civilized' countries on them (yes, that would be Russia). The people who have no time to clean the mess up in between operations because of the constant flow of humanity into these often dimly-lit, maze-like structures, sometimes as the buildings collapse around them.
The people showing a sense of humanity in a place where that word seems to have lost meaning in all the pointless politically-driven bloodshed.
I figure that'd be my nomination this year. It's the best I can think of. It may not be actively encouraging peace, but it's bringing what peace they can to those who are suffering from a severe lack of it.
by Eol Sha » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:24 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:It's a sad sort of situation when you have a hard time thinking of organizations who are actually actively, and legitimately, working towards peace out there in the world. We have a number of groups loudly protesting, or flag-waving, or shouting about this, that, or the other problem, but I wouldn't quite categorize their efforts as either peaceful, or encouraging peace. Some have been mentioned here already, others have not.
I cannot, for reasons I would hope might be obvious, list any American political personages. Those operating under the delusion that anything most of these people are doing is for the greater good, for selfless reasons, or for any actual peace, may need to re-examine things minus the rose-colored glasses. (That's just an opinion, mind you. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular.)
Doctors Without Borders continues to be an organization that does what it can to help those least able to help themselves, and usually, the least responsible for the horrible things going on in the worst areas of the world - the innocent bystanders, the civilians who don't know where to turn, what to do, and who are caught between two or more warring factions, and invariably, being the ones paying the ultimate price for it. That said, they've been nominated and won already.
Perhaps a spin on that, then -the doctors, nurses, and others who are working in the underground hospitals and other such places in Aleppo, primarily, and other targeted cities this past year. The people who have been attempting, without sufficient water, power, tools, medicine, without sanitary conditions, and under threat of, or actual bombardment, still valiantly attempting to do what they can to save lives.
The people doing brain surgery on blood-soaked floors in the middle of recovery rooms because there is no other option. The people working feverishly to remove ball bearings from the spines, brains, livers, and other parts of children who have been hit by cluster bombs with the markings of supposedly 'civilized' countries on them (yes, that would be Russia). The people who have no time to clean the mess up in between operations because of the constant flow of humanity into these often dimly-lit, maze-like structures, sometimes as the buildings collapse around them.
The people showing a sense of humanity in a place where that word seems to have lost meaning in all the pointless politically-driven bloodshed.
I figure that'd be my nomination this year. It's the best I can think of. It may not be actively encouraging peace, but it's bringing what peace they can to those who are suffering from a severe lack of it.
I second this nomination.
by MERIZoC » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:28 pm
New Dukaine wrote:I will nominate Justin Trudeau because he is the only world leader that hasn't made their country fall into chaos.
Also, he is a really, really good leader, and has lead Canada really well so far. I personally wish he was our president in the US, but that's not the point. He is also the son of one of the best prime ministers of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He has influential and widely accepted beliefs. I think he is fit to receive a nomination.
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:29 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:31 pm
Merizoc wrote:New Dukaine wrote:I will nominate Justin Trudeau because he is the only world leader that hasn't made their country fall into chaos.
Also, he is a really, really good leader, and has lead Canada really well so far. I personally wish he was our president in the US, but that's not the point. He is also the son of one of the best prime ministers of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He has influential and widely accepted beliefs. I think he is fit to receive a nomination.
What on earth has he done to promote peace? Selling weapons to the Saudis isn't exactly the mark of a peacemaker.
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:35 pm
by Geilinor » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:42 pm
Merizoc wrote:New Dukaine wrote:I will nominate Justin Trudeau because he is the only world leader that hasn't made their country fall into chaos.
Also, he is a really, really good leader, and has lead Canada really well so far. I personally wish he was our president in the US, but that's not the point. He is also the son of one of the best prime ministers of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He has influential and widely accepted beliefs. I think he is fit to receive a nomination.
What on earth has he done to promote peace? Selling weapons to the Saudis isn't exactly the mark of a peacemaker.
by Praeotoria » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:45 pm
by Geilinor » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:46 pm
by Neutraligon » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:49 pm
by Eol Sha » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:55 pm
by Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:32 pm
Geilinor wrote:Wolfmanne2 wrote:Also Santos great nominee lol.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/c ... 14696.html
Damn.
by The Conez Imperium » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:00 pm
Shofercia wrote:The Conez Imperium wrote:
I'm pretty certain that they are able to do "something useful" because they have the firepower to do so.
Hmm. I don't support this nomination as giving a peace prize to Kurds is rather generalistic. What are we defining as kurds? The ethnicity? The government (if they have one)? The army soldiers who defended Kobane? This nomination seems like a sympathy vote rather than actual recognition for "the extraordinary contribution given to the cause of human rights and/or peace".
Moreover, if we are arguing about the line of the "Kurds" giving women equality, then what makes their action particularly commendable compared to other organisations that advocate for equality?
That they're actually doing it in a war torn part of the Middle East. As for a specific organization, how about the armed forces branch of the Kurds that defended Kobane?
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
by The Conez Imperium » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:03 pm
by Wolfmanne2 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:14 pm
New Dukaine wrote:I will nominate Justin Trudeau because he is the only world leader that hasn't made their country fall into chaos.
Also, he is a really, really good leader, and has lead Canada really well so far. I personally wish he was our president in the US, but that's not the point. He is also the son of one of the best prime ministers of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He has influential and widely accepted beliefs. I think he is fit to receive a nomination.
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by Bakery Hill » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:27 am
The Conez Imperium wrote:Shofercia wrote:
That they're actually doing it in a war torn part of the Middle East. As for a specific organization, how about the armed forces branch of the Kurds that defended Kobane?
If we are giving soldiers a peace prize does that not seem rather odd? A military organisation receiving a peace prize? I understand that force was the only way to deter the barbaric ISIS and protect the people of Kobane but to give a peace prize to a military organisation is counter-intuitive. Especially considering that we our current understanding of a "peace prize" from Nobel's own work. Unless this Kurdish paramilitary has done something else to promote human rights other than using force, this nomination is frankly in my opinion silly.According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
by The Conez Imperium » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:32 am
Bakery Hill wrote:The Conez Imperium wrote:Moreover, if we are arguing about the line of the "Kurds" giving women equality, then what makes their action particularly commendable compared to other organisations that advocate for equality?
Because they're doing very radically progressive and effective things in one of the most violent and reactionary regions in the world at the moment.
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