Kustgebied wrote:french revolutionary democracy is superior to both
And a canonical Guardianship of the Jurist (ولایت فقیه) transcends them all
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by The Swiss Guardsmen » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:27 am
Kustgebied wrote:french revolutionary democracy is superior to both
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✵ Demonym: "Veltrian"✵ Membership: ;_;
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by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:12 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:And, if you have actually read, I have removed that list of past Resolutions and am working on a new layout for a list of the Current Resolutions, as am gathering that information together in an MSWord document. This is day 3 of this Administration, and you are acting like it's been a month and a half. Chill out.
Why should it be the PM's job to issue orders for IFC Forces in Bluewell? Isn't that what the Supreme Allied Commander is for? Or the C-in-C's? That would be their job under my Administration, not mine, I.E. giving more power to people under me.Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:By the way Shazbotdom, have you issued any orders to the IFC forces in Bluewell? i ask simply for information.
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by Hatay » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:35 pm
New Aeyariss wrote:To be frank, IFC perfectly proves that old conflict between Hamiltonian democracy (Ausitoria) and Jeffersonian democracy (IYF) is not dead, at least not yet. It's ideological legacy carries on until today.
Both groups claim to adhere to the same ideas, yet see them in completely different light. Ideas such as wealth redistribution, progressive taxes or gun control, which would have had a politician filled with rounds by angry citizens in Inyursta, would be considered normal elsewhere.
by New Chilokver » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:16 pm
Inyourfaceistan wrote:New Chilokver wrote:I can't say Lib's fears are entirely unfounded though. The majority of active, not total members tend to be members on the right of the political spectrum. As far as nations who actually support the left rather than being centrist/right wing, there are fewer. The sudden intake of applications from SACTO members doesn't really help.
1) Short term trends are not indicative of any long term effect, especially not some grand SACTOspiracy
2) Yeah, that's generally because the right tends to support things like free market, open elections, personal liberties, etc. Not saying that's always the case, but if we are going to tally up the worst dictators and violent terrorist groups in the 20th century, one side of the aisle takes the cake hands down...
Again, not saying that's always the case, but it sure is a trend that was formed long before the IFC or any attempt to gauge where most members stood.
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by The Swiss Guardsmen » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:51 pm
✵ Nation Name: The Sanctified Dominion of Veltria
✵ Government: Unitary One-Party Theocratic Republic
✵ Demonym: "Veltrian"✵ Membership: ;_;
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by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:06 pm
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Shazbotdom wrote:And, if you have actually read, I have removed that list of past Resolutions and am working on a new layout for a list of the Current Resolutions, as am gathering that information together in an MSWord document. This is day 3 of this Administration, and you are acting like it's been a month and a half. Chill out.
Do calm down. I am not complaining that you are putting together a list, indeed it is very commendable of you to alleviate the Speaker of the responsibility. Indeed I was simply trying to help (all I ever do) as I know Chalovsk hasn't been around for long and I didn't want him to waste time reading repealed nonsense.
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:However I could question why you saw fit to include a list that is out of date by half a year in the first place. Really we should look at introducing a swear-in ceremony where the Prime Minister swears to abide by the Charter - which might ensure that candidates read it.
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Shazbotdom wrote:Why should it be the PM's job to issue orders for IFC Forces in Bluewell? Isn't that what the Supreme Allied Commander is for? Or the C-in-C's? That would be their job under my Administration, not mine, I.E. giving more power to people under me.
No need to get excited! I just thought you might know what your government was doing about it?
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by Inyourfaceistan » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:22 pm
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Inyourfaceistan wrote:
What defines a "public relations-friendly front for SACTO"?
As I have said: the IFC being effectively constrained in legislation with dual members being able to decide the outcome of every vote; the IFC subsequently unable and/or unwilling to oppose SACTO on any significant issue or effectively support any alternate viewpoint; i.e. the IFC ceasing to act distinct from SACTO.
New Chilokver wrote:Obviously I'm not so paranoid as to believe this is an effect by SACTO to sway the IFC over to their side, but this influx does mean that the left becomes increasingly marginalised in terms of votes in the council.
That really depends on far down the spectrum you go. The more extreme sides both did pretty bad things- Nazis for example. It just happens that communism was the most common form of leftism in the 20th century. Anyway, another time in NSG.
by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:44 pm
FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire
TO: Current Applicants
Isle of Lost
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.
Kustgebied
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation has multiple problems. We have heard from multiple sources that you have caused problems previously throughout the Community. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to REJECT your Application.
Pax Centrum
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation is a bit new. As of this point in time, we would like to see you Develop your nation more before we decide if you are a good fit for the International Freedom Coalition. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to TABLE your Application for the time being.
Ghosnia
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.
Skyviolia
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable Candidate Options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.
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by Romic » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:01 pm
International Freedom Coalition
IFC Admissions Department,
Kairaku, Flardania, KirishimaIFC Admissions Application
National Information
Formal Nation Name: The Empire of Romic
Shortened Nation Name: Romic
Demonym: Romician
Capital city: Imperial City
National Population (RP): 350,000,000
Form of Government: Emperor Yuri
Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements): There is a Legislative Body and regional governors
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center Right
Head of State: Emperor Yuri
Head of Government: Emperor Yuri
Economic System: Capitalist (Mixed Market)
Currency: Imperial Credit
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 NSD = 1.48 Imperial Credit
Major Exports: Arms and Armor, Computer Tech, Oil
Major Imports: Foodstuffs, Metals, Coal
Language: English
Brief History of your nation: Born in the 16th century from a brief civil war from a once oppressor king The Empire of Romic had given the Emperor (former military General) he was granted full authority over the nation as it started. After years of expansion it became too tiring for him to manage every aspect of the vast Empire, he created the Knights' Table. The Knights were a group of what are now provincial governors they were given control of their respective regions and voted on by the people. As time went on they were given the freedom to propose laws to the Emperor in which he could sign or reject.
Map: (Optional) NA
IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): NA
Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms
Does your nation have
Freedom of thought: Y
Freedom of belief (religion): Y
Freedom of expression: Y
Freedom of the media: Y
Freedom of peaceful assembly: Y
Freedom of association: Y
Freedom of movement: Y
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Y
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Y
Freedom from slavery: Y
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Y
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Y
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Y
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Y
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Y
Right to own property: Y
Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Y, some areas of the economy (such as electric and water) are owned and regulated by the gov't to allow for equal, quality, and affordable ammenities.
Right to innocent navigation: Y
Foreign Relations and Military Statistics
What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): SACTO
What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.)
Foreign Policy: Discontent to Communists (Not outright hostile but will not support or aid)
Number of active military personnel (RP): 1,500,000
Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 2,000,000
Nuclear Arsenal (if any): I will not disclose
Name of Military: The Imperial Military
Branches of Military:
Army
Navy
Air Force
Imperial Guard
Regional Guards
RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): viewtopic.php?p=29781658#p29781658
Delegate to the IFC Council Information
Name: Alex Trimbel
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Biography (optional):
Education (optional): Imperial Academy of The Army
Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: To help progress Freedom and to ensure public safety.
Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: I DoSignature:Date:____09/09/2016____**IFCAPP**
by The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:55 pm
by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:16 pm
Skyviolia wrote:When is the next summit?
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by New Aeyariss » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:44 pm
The United Remnants of America wrote:Valaran wrote:
Not sure that this is needed. A de facto reparation of the previous status quo should be sufficient.
I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.
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by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:47 pm
FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire
TO: Current Applicants
Romic
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.
New Aeyariss wrote:I think that most of you don't understand that most of SACTO perceived IFC to be hostile organization, and Ausitoria is perceived as an enemy (always was contrary to his claim).
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by The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:48 pm
New Aeyariss wrote:The United Remnants of America wrote:I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.
I think that most of you don't understand that most of SACTO perceived IFC to be hostile organization, and Ausitoria is perceived as an enemy (always was contrary to his claim).
by Valaran » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:04 pm
The United Remnants of America wrote:Valaran wrote:
Not sure that this is needed. A de facto reparation of the previous status quo should be sufficient.
I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.
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by Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:51 pm
by The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:01 pm
Roskian Federation wrote:Sorry if im a negative nancy here but how the fuck do you not recognize the existance of another alliance?
by Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:11 pm
by The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:19 pm
by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:38 pm
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by Inyourfaceistan » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:46 pm
by Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:03 pm
Inyourfaceistan wrote:I believe Roski was talking from a de-facto, realist POV how does one not acknowledge the existence of another...
Correct me if I'm wrong...
Also I will be away camping and spring diving this weekend so don't expect much activity from me.
Shazbotdom wrote:As an alliance, it will be up to the Leadership on who we do or do not recognize as an Alliance. Member states may make their own decision, but it will be up to the Leadership on the official stance of how we view other Alliances. At this point in time, we are not situated enough to make any sort of determination of that sort.
There will be no more talk of this.
by Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:48 pm
Roskian Federation wrote:Shazbotdom wrote:As an alliance, it will be up to the Leadership on who we do or do not recognize as an Alliance. Member states may make their own decision, but it will be up to the Leadership on the official stance of how we view other Alliances. At this point in time, we are not situated enough to make any sort of determination of that sort.
There will be no more talk of this.
I love being told to fuck off when I have legitimate issues of significant discussion.
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by The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:02 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:Roskian Federation wrote:
I love being told to fuck off when I have legitimate issues of significant discussion.
What I am saying is, if you want to discuss this sort of thing, you should make your own thread and not clog up this alliance thread with it. I do not want this IFC Thread to turn into what the other one became, where everyone will argue about anything, even if it is not related to this Alliance. That causes a rift in the alliance, a rift in the community, and problems all around.
If you want to take what I said that way, then that's your prerogative.
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