Give me 20 minutes to get home [can not be tasked with typing paragraphs on mobile] to my PC.
Until then,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dBpR36VFQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFwztGjuqt0
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by Chkalovsk » Sat May 21, 2016 7:49 am
by The TransPecos » Sat May 21, 2016 7:52 am
by Galloism » Sat May 21, 2016 7:55 am
Chkalovsk wrote:
Give me 20 minutes to get home [can not be tasked with typing paragraphs on mobile] to my PC.
Until then,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dBpR36VFQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFwztGjuqt0
by AiliailiA » Sat May 21, 2016 7:56 am
The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
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by Imperializt Russia » Sat May 21, 2016 8:00 am
The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
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by Noraika » Sat May 21, 2016 8:20 am
The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
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by Ifreann » Sat May 21, 2016 8:36 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
The point you seem to be overlooking is that "I'm trans" isn't an excuse to sexually assault or sexually abuse (exposure is abuse) children.
So the entire issue doesn't exist.
by Imperializt Russia » Sat May 21, 2016 8:40 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Gauthier » Sat May 21, 2016 8:41 am
Ifreann wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The point you seem to be overlooking is that "I'm trans" isn't an excuse to sexually assault or sexually abuse (exposure is abuse) children.
So the entire issue doesn't exist.
It's also pretty shitty to think that the knowledge of the existence of trans people is somehow corrupting to children and will take their pwecious innocence away.
by Vassenor » Sat May 21, 2016 9:47 am
by Galloism » Sat May 21, 2016 9:48 am
by Hurdegaryp » Sat May 21, 2016 10:30 am
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Crysuko » Sat May 21, 2016 11:03 am
by The Last Abode of Pando » Sat May 21, 2016 11:40 am
Neutraligon wrote:What the hell is wrong with Oklahoma today?
by Ralkovian Grand Island » Sat May 21, 2016 11:46 am
Noraika wrote:The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
How many times has your daughter seen the vaginas of other women in the bathroom? How about seeing their buttocks? None? That's the norm. What you're describing is not. There is no reason to assume that the bathroom will operate any differently when we include people's ability to use facilities based upon their gender identity, especially when you consider the fact that your daughter has likely already used the bathroom with a transgender woman, as transgender people have been using the facilities befitting their gender identity for decades already.
Assuming you're male, and identify as such, the likelihood is that you've also shared a bathroom with a transgender man (female-to-male) as well, without realizing it, for the same reason as above.
The laws put in place simply provide the ability for individuals to use facilities based upon gender identity, which's existence is well-studied, well-established, and very important. The law does not legalize any other activity, so sexual harassment, and any other felony for that matter, remains illegal. That's how the law works. I'm curious to how you think this will somehow legalize, or establish a 'grey area' regarding these actions, because it doesn't.
You also seem to be equivocating transgender individuals, with 'perversion', which is a surprising and curious claim, if I'm interpreting what you said correctly. Mind explaining why you think this is the case?
In addition to this, regardless of the non-existence of this problem in the scores of places, such as a myriad of cities, counties, states, and entire countries, which have put in place laws formally establishing the ability for transgender individuals to used the facilities of their gender identity, for over a dozen years in some places, and them all finding that the idea that this compromises bathroom safety being non-existent at best, and a complete falsehood.
Let's not discriminate, harass, or bully people in general, but transgender youth in general also are deserving to be treated with decency and respect, and not the scores of discrimination, stigma, abuse (physical, sexual, verbal, et cetera), harassment, violence, and bullying which transgender people face in school alone, and further in public in general. Let's not reinforce this stigma and encourage discrimination through laws such as these passed in Oklahoma or North Carolina.
Now tell me, what is your reaction to these two pieces of information and pictures?
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by Liriena » Sat May 21, 2016 11:48 am
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by USS Monitor » Sat May 21, 2016 11:52 am
The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
by USS Monitor » Sat May 21, 2016 11:55 am
Noraika wrote:The TransPecos wrote:Seems weird to me that complete strangers can wave their **** about in front of the other sex of any age. It isn't about the law-abiding, it's about those who break the laws about display and other perversions that will certainly take advantage. Then a long time through the courts trying to decide if the shade of grey was just a little too dark or a little too white.
In any case my daughter will hence forth be escorted into any public toilet and if any one even remotely suspicious enters, she's out of there. I will also do everything I can to see that this situation does not arise in our local schools.
Dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want, but don't do it in front of the young and innocent. They can never regain that innocence.
How many times has your daughter seen the vaginas of other women in the bathroom? How about seeing their buttocks? None? That's the norm. What you're describing is not. There is no reason to assume that the bathroom will operate any differently when we include people's ability to use facilities based upon their gender identity, especially when you consider the fact that your daughter has likely already used the bathroom with a transgender woman, as transgender people have been using the facilities befitting their gender identity for decades already.
Assuming you're male, and identify as such, the likelihood is that you've also shared a bathroom with a transgender man (female-to-male) as well, without realizing it, for the same reason as above.
The laws put in place simply provide the ability for individuals to use facilities based upon gender identity, which's existence is well-studied, well-established, and very important. The law does not legalize any other activity, so sexual harassment, and any other felony for that matter, remains illegal. That's how the law works. I'm curious to how you think this will somehow legalize, or establish a 'grey area' regarding these actions, because it doesn't.
You also seem to be equivocating transgender individuals, with 'perversion', which is a surprising and curious claim, if I'm interpreting what you said correctly. Mind explaining why you think this is the case?
In addition to this, regardless of the non-existence of this problem in the scores of places, such as a myriad of cities, counties, states, and entire countries, which have put in place laws formally establishing the ability for transgender individuals to used the facilities of their gender identity, for over a dozen years in some places, and them all finding that the idea that this compromises bathroom safety being non-existent at best, and a complete falsehood.
Let's not discriminate, harass, or bully people in general, but transgender youth in general also are deserving to be treated with decency and respect, and not the scores of discrimination, stigma, abuse (physical, sexual, verbal, et cetera), harassment, violence, and bullying which transgender people face in school alone, and further in public in general. Let's not reinforce this stigma and encourage discrimination through laws such as these passed in Oklahoma or North Carolina.
Now tell me, what is your reaction to these two pieces of information and pictures?
by USS Monitor » Sat May 21, 2016 12:03 pm
by The Last Abode of Pando » Sat May 21, 2016 12:03 pm
by Liriena » Sat May 21, 2016 12:07 pm
The Last Abode of Pando wrote:The Last Abode of Pando wrote:Maybe we should be saying, "What the hell is wrong with the parts of America that aren't Oklahoma and North Carolina today?"
OK. Fine. Guys, how about this. I don't care which bathroom you use, it is just bad for humans to have rights that they willabuse to the point of national debateactually use.
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by The Last Abode of Pando » Sat May 21, 2016 12:08 pm
Liriena wrote:The Last Abode of Pando wrote:OK. Fine. Guys, how about this. I don't care which bathroom you use, it is just bad for humans to have rights that they willabuse to the point of national debateactually use.
How is it bad that trans people will use the restrooms corresponding to their gender?
by USS Monitor » Sat May 21, 2016 12:10 pm
Liriena wrote:The Last Abode of Pando wrote:Maybe we should be saying, "What the hell is wrong with the parts of America that aren't Oklahoma and North Carolina today?"
While I am sure that all American states have problems (maybe Vermont is not the cute little leftist utopia I was sold by Breitbart)... not really. As I've expressed before, I consider this sort of discriminatory legislation to be harmful, useless and nonsensical. It is clearly policy born from animosity towards trans people, and the excuses used to veil that animosity have no basis in reality.
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