European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Unitaristic Regions]

Tbh, I think the Spaniards were mostly using it to satisfy their own greed, but so were the Ottomans and the Mughals, if you ask me.

So religion as justification rather than motivation?

Yeah, but remember that I'm a communist. It's in my job description to look down on ideology as a motivator, so I'm probably a bit biased . But even non-communists who look at the Americas historically, which its easily-exploited population, new and rich resources, and masses of gold, should find it impossible not to envisage some conquistador wringing his hands and dreaming up excuses to conquer everything. It's a bit like the slave trade, where slaves were kept enslaved even if they turned christian.

[Vassenor]

Although we also have stuff like one of the Incan emperors being offered a more humane execution if he agreed to convert to Christianity.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Although we also have stuff like one of the Incan emperors being offered a more humane execution if he agreed to convert to Christianity.

Hmm, true, but that snippet of information can be interpreted in a lot of ways. His conversion could be honestly desired to impose Christianity. It could also be used to break the will of the emperor's subjects.

[Vassenor]

Yeah, I'm just pulling events out of memory without context. That happens when I'm trying to debate at 3am.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Yeah, I'm just pulling events out of memory without context. That happens when I'm trying to debate at 3am.

3:48 here. I really need to sleep XD. Have a good night!

[The Princes of the Universe]

Yeah, I'm just pulling events out of memory without context. That happens when I'm trying to debate at 3am.

3:48 here. I really need to sleep XD. Have a good night!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

#DeusVult

Apparently the times during the Crusades when Christians basically massacred their way round the middle east didn't happen then.

Spain's genocide of the Americas is probably a better example ;). The Crusades are a speck on history.

Shit the consequences of Europeans arriving in the New World were so bad some scholars blame the Little Ice Age on the massive depopulation that happened.

HOMOPHOBIA IS BAD NO MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM, AS I HAVE STATED REPEATEDLY.

Satisfied?

No, as you never demonstrated it in your posts. You are only fixed on Christians.

plase, copy paste this in your next posts: "I, Vassenor, condemn homophobic Muslim immigrants that beat the gay person in Berlin".

I see you engage yourself in rank perfidy. Wasn't it you who agreed to me to not put your words in other people's mouths? "I thought we had an agreement not to lie to each other."

[Unitaristic Regions]

3:48 here. I really need to sleep XD. Have a good night!

[Wallenburg]

Politician from the Rape Capital Sweden: "We shall allow migration of 30 million people"
P.S. Sweden has only 9 Million.

Most people here can't understand Swedish.

[Saiwania]

I definitely want to see Annie Lööf get fired. That is one party which cannot be allowed to take power in Sweden. If the Centre Party is allowed to import 30 million+ people from abroad, Sweden won't be majority Swede anymore ever again. We will witness the loss of a nation.

[Kubra]

Keep also in mind the Swedish media are the most censored on the world.

Like
more than china?

[Vassenor]

Given that no one has actually demonstrated a causal link between migrants and Sweden having a high reported sexual crime rate I'm going to add "rape capital" to the list of dogwhistles.

[Saiwania]

Every party expect the SD supports Mass immigration. And anyone in Sweden who does not share this view is labelled as far-right, even if you are for instance only for lowering the number of immigrants. It was indeed the supposedly center-right Moderate Party who made laws so flexible for migrants that is almost impossible for deport them.

Keep also in mind the Swedish media are the most censored on the world.

If every party but one in Sweden wants immigration, then my only question is- to what extent? Apparently for the Centre party it'd be 30 million. Every single party but one is out to damage Sweden, so I want to know which is worse overall than the others in descending order. The damage can't be avoided but perhaps can be limited. If the left has too much of a monopoly over the political process in Sweden, then I think a "far right and proud" movement could be successful over there, it just needs a leader like Donald Trump and lots of funding to get the message out.

[Ghatawerpya]

Keep also in mind the Swedish media are the most censored on the world.

Where did you get that from?

[Ghatawerpya]

xenophobes aren't popular in Norway

[Saiwania]

xenophobes aren't popular in Norway

They will be if a dozen Cologne like incidents happen in Norway and at least half or more get leaked out to the press and cover ups just aren't successful in keeping a lid on it. I'm not surprised about the Progress Party's misfortunes, they aren't even doing what they said they were going to do if elected, they're traitors that can't be trusted with a reelection.

[Geilinor]

xenophobes aren't popular in Norway

They will be if a dozen Cologne like incidents happen in Norway and at least half or more get leaked out to the press and cover ups just aren't successful in keeping a lid on it. I'm not surprised about the Progress Party's misfortunes, they aren't even doing what they said they were going to do if elected, they're traitors that can't be trusted with a reelection.

Are you hoping that there are Cologne-like incidents? What have the Norwegians done to you?

[Terminus Alpha]

Given that no one has actually demonstrated a causal link between migrants and Sweden having a high reported sexual crime rate I'm going to add "rape capital" to the list of dogwhistles.

I talked about this subject on another thread, and in short, you are completely right in that assumption.

1. "In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics"
2. It's definition of rape is different than other countries.

[Wallenburg]

Keep also in mind the Swedish media are the most censored on the world.

I'd ask for a source, but as I understand it is against site rules to post pictures of your ass.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Politician from the Rape Capital Sweden: "We shall allow migration of 30 million people"
P.S. Sweden has only 9 Million.

How about I denote and slander whatever shitty Yugo remnant you spawned from as a murderous, genocidal hellhole of oppression and censorship at every opportunity? Because it is very apparent you have made zero efforts in understanding Sweden and is wholly intent on keeping this status quo to keep slandering my country.
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Fuck it. Are you or are you not Taruda?

[Wallenburg]

I'd ask for a source, but as I understand it is against site rules to post pictures of your ass.

Yes, of course. There is no research how prevalent is, but there enough evidence and cases to support this. Here is the best known and recent case - The We are Stockholm sexual assault cover up. The WAS is annual youth music festival, and for the last two years sexual assaults were happened by muslim immigrants. It was censored by the media.

The police said this to journalists of Dagens Nyheter back in 2014 and 2015. They dissmised as racist propaganda. Flashforward 6 month, Cologne happened in Germany on a similar way. The same journalist found the story very intersting again to one of them contacted an eye witness via an psychologist who was threating the poor girls. The psychologist found very odd that they asked for the story after such a long time, so she went to Avpixlat/alternative media and made an interview. So, the whole scandal came to surface.

Now, the journalist in Sweden are blaming the police, while the police blaming journalist. But, one is sure there was certainly a cover-up. And, I think few days ago it was published that similar thing happened in other Swedish places.

Now, as said look up the twitter of this former Swedish journalist who also confirms what I am said. Also, the numerous bizzare cases of attacking people just for having different opinion.

Yeah, even assuming the worst about this "cover-up", there's no censorship here. Nobody was halting printing presses. Nobody was removing articles from the headlines. In fact, the prevalence of articles on these events demonstrates the sheer lack of censorship in Sweden.

Meanwhile, the World Press Freedom Index rates Sweden fifth in the world in press freedom. That is nowhere near being "the most censored on the world".

[Wallenburg]

Yeah, even assuming the worst about this "cover-up", there's no censorship here. Nobody was halting printing presses. Nobody was removing articles from the headlines. In fact, the prevalence of articles on these events demonstrates the sheer lack of censorship in Sweden.

Meanwhile, the World Press Freedom Index rates Sweden fifth in the world in press freedom. That is nowhere near being "the most censored on the world".

So, not publishing an important news for society is not censorship? Since when? Especially if the reason why the journalists did not wanted to published is because it would "play in the hands of the SD".

You really need to look up the definition of "censorship".

As for the list, sorry I doubt it since it was made by a NGO, who may have or not to have an interest. Especially not giving Germany a positive rate after Cologne attacks.

In other words, you don't give a shit because it doesn't confirm your own beliefs.

[Wallenburg]

You really need to look up the definition of "censorship".

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

The bolded part is what happened in Sweden and Germany.

You realize that you have to use the whole definition right? You can't just take three words out of it and pretend those make it mean something else. Censorship requires active suppression--and often prohibition--of information. That did not occur in Sweden in Germany as you pretend it did.

if they are not censored, how do you call it? Biased?

Bias is certainly possible.

In other words, you don't give a shit because it doesn't confirm your own beliefs.

Well, basically because it was made by this organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters ... sms_of_RWB

Germany just cannot have a clear note from them after the Cologne incidents.

Very well then. That seems like a pretty flimsy reason to completely discredit them, but if you insist...

[Ghatawerpya]

xenophobes aren't popular in Norway

They will be if a dozen Cologne like incidents happen in Norway and at least half or more get leaked out to the press and cover ups just aren't successful in keeping a lid on it. I'm not surprised about the Progress Party's misfortunes, they aren't even doing what they said they were going to do if elected, they're traitors that can't be trusted with a reelection.

And how do you explain the Labour Party's surging popularity? You're being too cynical, I think it's reasonable to assume that Norwegians could simply be decent people.

Well, basically because it was made by this organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters ... sms_of_RWB

All that tells me is that they slander left wing governments. Wouldn't that be something you'd like?

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

Humans have been migrating since the beginning. From their origin in Africa they spread all over the earth. Just last week, scientists reported that DNA studies show Irish origins are as diverse as the Middle East and Russia. "DNA analysis of the Neolithic woman from Ballynahatty, near Belfast, reveals that she was most similar to modern people from Spain and Sardinia. But her ancestors ultimately came to Europe from the Middle East, where agriculture was invented.

Point is, even if these migrants came in large enough numbers to change European society, it wouldn't matter.