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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:30 am

Meth makes people think they have bees in their teeth?

And oh hey, someone put the DSM bumf up on that reddit post. Because apparently I needed more proof I was wrong about all this. >.<
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:40 am

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hmm, isn't my style but there is nothing wrong with it.


What is your style, if you don't mind my asking?


I tend to prefer pants for one. I also tend to like brighter colors. To me that dress doesn't have any interest. I tend to like something with a design on it, or that has a nice color ( I just didn't like the colors). If I have a plain shirt I will almost always have a bright piece of jewelry (if I am not in the lab)or wear a bright tie (which I...kidnapped...from my boyfriend). Either that or the pattern on the clothing has to be interesting. For instance I have a shirt that is a pretty purple color that has a lice like look above the bust (it is a short sleeve shirt).
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:55 am

So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

Thoughts?


I make a point to not take people trying to force their headcanons into things as actual fact.
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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:14 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

Thoughts?

My reaction, no seriously...Brianna has made a sworn enemy upon this day.

As if Samus had to be biologically male first to be a badass, it also is clearly a misunderstanding of fucking context. because she is pointing to a term that in context, refers to her having Human DNA, and then later in her life, having Chozo DNA. And then it goes against established canon itself, there are countless times Samus has been shown in her youth too be female....And clearly she isn't transitioning to a man or show anything hinting to a preference of that identity.

For fucks sake, if you want a video game character hero thats trans, make one!
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:04 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

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Why not just talk about Poison from Street Fighter.....
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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:05 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

Thoughts?


Why not just talk about Poison from Street Fighter.....

I am gonna assume because "Not as famous, or important."
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:15 am

Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:
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Why not just talk about Poison from Street Fighter.....

I am gonna assume because "Not as famous, or important."


......but there's actually a legitimate argument for her, but there isn't one for Samus.
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Postby New Scarlettopia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:20 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:So...

Samus Aran is trans, apparently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... /?sort=top

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"Good luck with that" comes to mind.

The sooner people stop considering Brianna Wu or The Mary Sue as entities worth their time, the sooner the world will become a better place.

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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:21 am

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Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:I am gonna assume because "Not as famous, or important."


......but there's actually a legitimate argument for her, but there isn't one for Samus.

Even for her I don't think its legit, because didn't that happen because of a sexist attitude of "You can't hit a women!"
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Postby New Scarlettopia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:25 am

Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:
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......but there's actually a legitimate argument for her, but there isn't one for Samus.

Even for her I don't think its legit, because didn't that happen because of a sexist attitude of "You can't hit a women!"


Sure, but it's still a canonical trans character. The smart person would spend more time making sure characters like that (there's been a few "trans characters for cringey reasons" throughout video game history) were treated better by developers in future games as opposed to shoehorning their agenda into everywhere else it doesn't fit.
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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:27 am

New Scarlettopia wrote:
Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:Even for her I don't think its legit, because didn't that happen because of a sexist attitude of "You can't hit a women!"


Sure, but it's still a canonical trans character. The smart person would spend more time making sure characters like that (there's been a few "trans characters for cringey reasons" throughout video game history) were treated better by developers in future games as opposed to shoehorning their agenda into everywhere else it doesn't fit.

But thats another issue, Brianna is disregarding canon anyways.

I mean personally here is my opinion, if they want a positive trans character in a game...then make a new one.

There is literally no reachable limit on that, names may soon wear thin, designs might start to blur, but there is no real limit on it.
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Postby New Scarlettopia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:29 am

Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:I mean personally here is my opinion, if they want a positive trans character in a game...then make a new one.

There is literally no reachable limit on that, names may soon wear thin, designs might start to blur, but there is no real limit on it.


Oh believe me, I agree with you fully. If you want something done right, do it yourself.

The problem here is that we are talking about Brianna Wu, someone who clearly doesn't have much in the way of talent.

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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:31 am

New Scarlettopia wrote:
Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:I mean personally here is my opinion, if they want a positive trans character in a game...then make a new one.

There is literally no reachable limit on that, names may soon wear thin, designs might start to blur, but there is no real limit on it.


Oh believe me, I agree with you fully. If you want something done right, do it yourself.

The problem here is that we are talking about Brianna Wu, someone who clearly doesn't have much in the way of talent.

Or thought to be honest, I mean I approve of her deciding to make a game, but as you said she has no talent for it. And she clearly puts no thought into the P.R
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:56 am

Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:
New Scarlettopia wrote:
Oh believe me, I agree with you fully. If you want something done right, do it yourself.

The problem here is that we are talking about Brianna Wu, someone who clearly doesn't have much in the way of talent.

Or thought to be honest, I mean I approve of her deciding to make a game, but as you said she has no talent for it. And she clearly puts no thought into the P.R


And then got caught trying to astro-turf hate against herself.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:18 pm

New Scarlettopia wrote:"trans characters for cringey reasons"


Poison was the only one that I knew of (yeah, I know, I'm dumb).... just out of curiosity, who else is there?
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:20 pm

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New Scarlettopia wrote:"trans characters for cringey reasons"


Poison was the only one that I knew of (yeah, I know, I'm dumb).... just out of curiosity, who else is there?

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:20 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
New Scarlettopia wrote:"trans characters for cringey reasons"


Poison was the only one that I knew of (yeah, I know, I'm dumb).... just out of curiosity, who else is there?

Robin Newman from Ace Attorney, from what I know, was born biologically a girl, but forced to be a boy for her life. I'm not sure that counts though.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:28 pm

Val Halla wrote:
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Poison was the only one that I knew of (yeah, I know, I'm dumb).... just out of curiosity, who else is there?

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Val Halla wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Poison was the only one that I knew of (yeah, I know, I'm dumb).... just out of curiosity, who else is there?

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Wow.... I don't get around much :P
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:33 pm

Birdo from Mario 2, Vivian from Paper Mario Thousand Year door there's two canon trans characters, now stop arguing.
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Postby Dyrrachium » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:34 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Birdo from Mario 2, Vivian from Paper Mario Thousand Year door there's two canon trans characters, now stop arguing.

WHO THE HELL IS BIRDO?!?!?

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Postby New Scarlettopia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:41 pm

Dyrrachium wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Birdo from Mario 2, Vivian from Paper Mario Thousand Year door there's two canon trans characters, now stop arguing.

WHO THE HELL IS BIRDO?!?!?


Oh god I suddenly feel really old >.<

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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:42 pm

Dyrrachium wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Birdo from Mario 2, Vivian from Paper Mario Thousand Year door there's two canon trans characters, now stop arguing.

WHO THE HELL IS BIRDO?!?!?

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Postby Dyrrachium » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:43 pm

New Scarlettopia wrote:
Dyrrachium wrote:WHO THE HELL IS BIRDO?!?!?


Oh god I suddenly feel really old >.<

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According to Wikipedia, the manual for the game says this "Birdo is a boy, who believes that he is a girl, and would rather be referred to as "Birdetta" "
err.. not the best representation. Oh, and nintendo then just retconned her as just female. Not exactly filling me with confidence

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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:45 pm

Dyrrachium wrote:
New Scarlettopia wrote:
Oh god I suddenly feel really old >.<

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According to Wikipedia, the manual for the game says this "Birdo is a boy, who believes that he is a girl, and would rather be referred to as "Birdetta" "
err.. not the best representation. Oh, and nintendo then just retconned her as just female. Not exactly filling me with confidence

Nintendo is a jaoenese company and that was from the 80's, how do you not already know all this?
Vivian was openly trans I'm pretty sure and her sisters were incredibly cruel to her for that.
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