by Ransium » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:08 pm
by Ambroscus Koth » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:12 pm
by Jakker » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:00 pm
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by We Are Not The ATF » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:30 pm
by Kazmr » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:53 pm
by Gest » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:17 pm
Ransium wrote:I think the community I’m a part of and the friendships I built will keep me coming back to NS. At least I hope so. But I can tell you if I CTE in a year or two I wouldn’t have if my streak was still going.
Kazmr wrote:or whatever other bs they come up with to sleep at night
by Jakker » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:24 pm
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by The Church of Satan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:55 pm
by Esterild » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:37 pm
Jakker wrote:From my experience, raiding brings a lot to the game. A main thing is perspective. It reveals what is important to you. It shows a region what community truly means. On a surface level, a delegate streak matters. And yeah it sucks to lose it. But is that the motivation to log into a game? If that is what keeps you going, I'm not sure if it's worth it. If a temporary raid causes someone to leave the game or a region to fall apart, I don't believe that the raid is the sole reason. It may be a factor, but as you said, a raid is just a paper cut. Raiding the same region over and over again isn't ideal. But in a situation like this, no harm was caused other than a number changed. And again, when a number is what keeps you logging into a game, maybe the game isn't giving you enough to be part of your life.
by Jakker » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:55 pm
Esterild wrote:Jakker wrote:From my experience, raiding brings a lot to the game. A main thing is perspective. It reveals what is important to you. It shows a region what community truly means. On a surface level, a delegate streak matters. And yeah it sucks to lose it. But is that the motivation to log into a game? If that is what keeps you going, I'm not sure if it's worth it. If a temporary raid causes someone to leave the game or a region to fall apart, I don't believe that the raid is the sole reason. It may be a factor, but as you said, a raid is just a paper cut. Raiding the same region over and over again isn't ideal. But in a situation like this, no harm was caused other than a number changed. And again, when a number is what keeps you logging into a game, maybe the game isn't giving you enough to be part of your life.
So your griefing is actually motivated by a compassionate desire to teach others about the truly important things in life? That is SO NICE!
The Church of Satan wrote:And whatever one's reason for logging in it just isn't right for raiders to come in and take it away. What raiders do is just wrong. It's like barging into someone's home during dinner and spitting in their food just because you get a kick out of it. Look at it from their point of view. If the roles were reversed, you guys wouldn't be very happy if a bunch of outsiders came in to mess everything up now would you? You can try to justify it all you want, but the fact of the matter is it's just plain wrong.
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Funkadelia » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:26 pm
Ransium wrote:So I have to ask, is it good for a game to make it easy to discourage a player like myself that has for a long time been a promoter of community in the game? I don’t have a technical solution I’m pushing to change anything, but that’s just the general feeling the raid has left with me.
I think the community I’m a part of and the friendships I built will keep me coming back to NS. At least I hope so. But I can tell you if I CTE in a year or two I wouldn’t have if my streak was still going.
by Forever Fields » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:34 pm
by The Agnostic Collective » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:57 pm
by Errinundera » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:10 am
by Eist » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:38 am
Unibot III wrote:Frankly, the lows that people sink to in this game is perhaps the most disturbing thing about NationStates Gameplay.
by Todd McCloud » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:12 am
Eist wrote:Cue the replies saying how raiders actually have it so hard and that destroying legacies like this promotes activity in 3, 2, 1...
by United RussoAsia » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:32 am
Jakker wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:And whatever one's reason for logging in it just isn't right for raiders to come in and take it away. What raiders do is just wrong. It's like barging into someone's home during dinner and spitting in their food just because you get a kick out of it. Look at it from their point of view. If the roles were reversed, you guys wouldn't be very happy if a bunch of outsiders came in to mess everything up now would you? You can try to justify it all you want, but the fact of the matter is it's just plain wrong.
If we are doing something that CoS disagrees with, then I know we are doing something completely right.
by Marselesk » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:37 am
Eist wrote:Ransium, don't blame the raiders (they are, after all, just angry teenagers), it's the admin that ultimately hold all of the power, and They. Just. Don't. Care. About. You. The absurd decaying sub forum in Technical is testament to that! It's outlived even some of the oldest delegates now.
Of course, raiders have nothing to add to your post other than correcting a trivial error. Keep up the good work Koth and Jakker! (This actually includes Onder who will inevitably deliver another essay that really says nothing at all). Why would they? They know the admin always has their back.
Cue the replies saying how raiders actually have it so hard and that destroying legacies like this promotes activity in 3, 2, 1...
Revall wrote:I will train a flock of geese for 20 years as assassins and send them to find you kleo
John Jacob wrote:Your ability to make a convincing argument based on complete bullsh*t is very impressive
Raging Zen Master wrote:As subtle as "HELLO FELLOW HUMANS, I TOO, ENJOY BREATHING OXYGEN."
Knot/Ivo wrote:Nonsense, defender budgets are set to buying cushy armchairs, not bombers!
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:43 am
Ransium wrote:Now I’m not a raider, but I understand why you guys would want to raid Forest. Good publicity; probably going to get defenders attention more than some backwater, 3 nation region, so a bit more of a challenge; and some people (ie me) are actually going to care about the raid. I don’t honestly expect to talk a single raider out from crashing out other old delegates (in fact I’m surprised I lasted as long as I did and you guys don’t do it to more old delegates).
The Church of Satan wrote:And whatever one's reason for logging in it just isn't right for raiders to come in and take it away. What raiders do is just wrong. It's like barging into someone's home during dinner and spitting in their food just because you get a kick out of it. Look at it from their point of view. If the roles were reversed, you guys wouldn't be very happy if a bunch of outsiders came in to mess everything up now would you? You can try to justify it all you want, but the fact of the matter is it's just plain wrong.
Esterild wrote:So your griefing is actually motivated by a compassionate desire to teach others about the truly important things in life? That is SO NICE!
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Griefing is against site rules, and should be reported. Legal usage of the built-in system of delegate elections for military purposes (aka "The Invasion Game") is perfectly fine, as per the very site FAQ.
Funkadelia wrote:That's the thing.
They think that sort of feeling is absolutely hilarious, and take enjoyment in the fact that they're ruining, or at least tarnishing the game for other people. They don't care about what you think, and they don't care how long you were delegate. They just do it all for the purposes of self aggrandizement, and not much else.
Eist wrote:Ransium, don't blame the raiders (they are, after all, just angry teenagers), it's the admin that ultimately hold all of the power, and They. Just. Don't. Care. About. You. The absurd decaying sub forum in Technical is testament to that! It's outlived even some of the oldest delegates now.
Of course, raiders have nothing to add to your post other than correcting a trivial error. Keep up the good work Koth and Jakker! (This actually includes Onder who will inevitably deliver another essay that really says nothing at all). Why would they? They know the admin always has their back.
Cue the replies saying how raiders actually have it so hard and that destroying legacies like this promotes activity in 3, 2, 1...
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Mallorea and Riva » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:16 am
Eist wrote:Ransium, don't blame the raiders (they are, after all, just angry teenagers), it's the admin that ultimately hold all of the power, and They. Just. Don't. Care. About. You. The absurd decaying sub forum in Technical is testament to that! It's outlived even some of the oldest delegates now.
Of course, raiders have nothing to add to your post other than correcting a trivial error. Keep up the good work Koth and Jakker! (This actually includes Onder who will inevitably deliver another essay that really says nothing at all). Why would they? They know the admin always has their back.
Cue the replies saying how raiders actually have it so hard and that destroying legacies like this promotes activity in 3, 2, 1...
by Tano » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:36 am
(they are, after all, just angry teenagers)
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
by Land filled with People » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:53 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Knock off the trolling Eist, you know better.
by Luna Amore » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:45 am
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