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by Cannabis Islands » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:52 am
by United North Atlantic States » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:56 am
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:United North Atlantic States wrote:I believe that both extremes should exist simultaneously.
How?
There would be two economies rather than one. There would be a state-controlled economy, which people could choose to take part in at their own will, and there would be a citizen-controlled economy (not to be confused with a state-enforced, collectivistic economy) for which there would be no purely economic regulations whatsoever—not even a standard currency. This, I believe, is the only way in which to simultaneously insure complete economic freedom and egalitarian economic treatment (as well as sufficient resources provided to each citizen) under the law.
So basically, we should decriminalize the black market?
Sebtopiaris wrote:Wait, how'd homosexuality turn into this?
Great Islamic Caliphate wrote:[…] United North Atlantic States (Europe, Australasia and North America), […]
by Dakini » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:01 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:Nebalon wrote:This is the ultimate goal of the gay agenda, and why it has to be stopped. It's not going to stop in their bedroom, they're going to take it out, into church, and force people to marry them. That's what they're already doing in the courts - forcing the government to marry them.
It's not really the gay agenda- more homosexuals getting butthurt because some conservative church which they CHOSE to be a member of wouldn't wed them and their partner. The church is an establishment run according to the religious doctrines of the people running it- if you don't like it, tough bikkies, find another church.
by European Socialist Republic » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:34 am
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:05 am
So this isn't a state church you've been talking about?
It is. What are you talking about?Unless it were a state church, in which case the politicians running the country in question are obviously in charge of the state church as much as they are in charge of any other state body.
The politicians in charge of the country are obviously in charge of all the institutions in the country, state body or not. That doesn't make them the same thing as the church, so as to make their decisions somehow the church's decisions. They pass laws, and the institutions in the country obey or face punishment.
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:08 am
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:11 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Most forms of equality are inevitably exercises in inequality to some degree because they require greater sacrifice from some parts of society than from others.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:11 am
Ifreann wrote:
I would wager that the people talking to you about this are trying to scare you into opposing gay rights. They're either lying or have themselves been lied to. Again, no one is trying to force churches or any other kind of religious organisation to perform their marriage ceremonies against their wishes.
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:14 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:I would wager that the people talking to you about this are trying to scare you into opposing gay rights. They're either lying or have themselves been lied to. Again, no one is trying to force churches or any other kind of religious organisation to perform their marriage ceremonies against their wishes.
What about the wedding chapel in idaho? The city did Back down, but the original position was they had too Perform marriages against their religious conviction.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:22 am
Ifreann wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:What about the wedding chapel in idaho? The city did Back down, but the original position was they had too Perform marriages against their religious conviction.
Because at the time they were held to be operating as a business, and as such subject to the same regulations as other businesses. I believe this has been elaborated on and explained already in this thread.
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:25 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:Because at the time they were held to be operating as a business, and as such subject to the same regulations as other businesses. I believe this has been elaborated on and explained already in this thread.
The point is, there are folks who are threatening to make pastors preform same sex weddings they don't want too. Which is the opposite of your claim.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:33 am
by Zakuvia » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:34 am
by Vekalse » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:37 am
by New Werpland » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:48 am
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:09 am
New Werpland wrote:Churches shouldn't be forced to abandon their values and become liberal and pluralistic against their will.
by Genivaria » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:48 am
by Genivaria » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:54 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:Nebalon wrote:This is the ultimate goal of the gay agenda, and why it has to be stopped. It's not going to stop in their bedroom, they're going to take it out, into church, and force people to marry them. That's what they're already doing in the courts - forcing the government to marry them.
It's not really the gay agenda- more homosexuals getting butthurt because some conservative church which they CHOSE to be a member of wouldn't wed them and their partner. The church is an establishment run according to the religious doctrines of the people running it- if you don't like it, tough bikkies, find another church.
by Dakini » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:29 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:Because at the time they were held to be operating as a business, and as such subject to the same regulations as other businesses. I believe this has been elaborated on and explained already in this thread.
The point is, there are folks who are threatening to make pastors preform same sex weddings they don't want too. Which is the opposite of your claim.
by Dakini » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:31 am
Zakuvia wrote:But I will say that a lot of the time, people could be a bit nicer on both ends of the spectrum on how to discuss it.
by Pragia » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:33 am
by Dakini » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:39 am
Pragia wrote:The line is when mandates are made against people and organizations. Quotas are abhorrent attempts at "equality through profiling" other than that, not much I could think of beyond obvious dangers (religious tolerance towards sacrifices is one)
by Pragia » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:41 am
Dakini wrote:Pragia wrote:The line is when mandates are made against people and organizations. Quotas are abhorrent attempts at "equality through profiling" other than that, not much I could think of beyond obvious dangers (religious tolerance towards sacrifices is one)
What the fuck is this and what does it have to do with the thread?
by The New Sea Territory » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:46 am
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