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by **The Empire of Handland** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:05 pm

Glasgia wrote:How would party members feel about incorporating unions into the structure of our party? We claim to be not only a democratic party, but also an alliance of the workers and therefore on both fronts it would make sense to bring involve union representatives in party affairs. To prevent abandonment of worker's principles, I would propose that the power of veto be granted to the unions for any party policy decisions and that union representatives act as consultants to the Central Committee.

I think that's an absolutely fantastic idea. I personally am a syndicalist so I fully support unions.

by **The New Sea Territory** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:36 pm

Glasgia wrote:How would party members feel about incorporating unions into the structure of our party? We claim to be not only a democratic party, but also an alliance of the workers and therefore on both fronts it would make sense to bring involve union representatives in party affairs. To prevent abandonment of worker's principles, I would propose that the power of veto be granted to the unions for any party policy decisions and that union representatives act as consultants to the Central Committee.

So anyone who is a member of the Labor Federation can veto party policy? That would be dangerous considering some unions are allied with the DemLeft.

by **Murkwood** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:05 pm

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:Given that nobody has objected, that it was advertised clearly, and that nobody else had declared their intentions to run, it seems Glasgia will be the WA nominee.

Glasgia = Glass = Delicate = Children = Pediatricians = Doctors = Doctor's Plot = Josef Stalin.

Ah hah! Glasgia = Stalin!

by **Maklohi Vai** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:33 pm

Thanks Glas.

by **Workers Alliance Central Committee** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:56 pm

The time has come. Everyone vote for the Workers' Alliance candidate, our friend and colleague Robert MacDaibidh-Glasgios (Glasgia).

Heraklea-

by **Ravenflight** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:48 am

Bye everyone I am goimg to leave the party, my plan is to work with all major parties, yours the lib dems and the other major centre/left parties so that we may unite and crush the right. Thank you for having me.

hopefully we'll work together in the future so we may make a liberal utopia.

by **United Provinces of Atlantica** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:17 am

Ravenflight wrote:Bye everyone I am goimg to leave the party, my plan is to work with all major parties, yours the lib dems and the other major centre/left parties so that we may unite and crush the right. Thank you for having me. hopefully we'll work together in the future so we may make a liberal utopia.

We're already to work together. Please take a second thought.

by **Glasgia** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:58 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Glasgia wrote:How would party members feel about incorporating unions into the structure of our party? We claim to be not only a democratic party, but also an alliance of the workers and therefore on both fronts it would make sense to bring involve union representatives in party affairs. To prevent abandonment of worker's principles, I would propose that the power of veto be granted to the unions for any party policy decisions and that union representatives act as consultants to the Central Committee.

So anyone who is a member of the Labor Federation can veto party policy? That would be dangerous considering some unions are allied with the DemLeft.

I would assume that union representatives would come from affiliated unions and require majority support of all representatives to veto party policy.

((Also, I should point out, this is almost entirely an IC suggestion. I have no idea how this would be OOCly implemented.))

by **Heraklea-** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:01 pm

Glasgia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
So anyone who is a member of the Labor Federation can veto party policy? That would be dangerous considering some unions are allied with the DemLeft.

I would assume that union representatives would come from affiliated unions and require majority support of all representatives to veto party policy.

((Also, I should point out, this is almost entirely an IC suggestion. I have no idea how this would be OOCly implemented.))

Well I'm officially against this idea. Consultation with the unions is important and should be maintained, but veto power? Seems likely to cause instability. Not only that but party affiliated unions is a bad idea. It causes divides between workers and weakens the overall movement.

by **Kincoboh** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:48 pm

I would like to make it known that I will not be as active on here as I thought. School and other IRL committments must have my full attention at the moment.

For this reason, I would like to make it known that I am stepping down from the LSC Rep position, effective immediately.

by **The Nihilistic view** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:00 pm

Boris felt his phone vibrate. He picked it out of his pocket and read the message. It told him the WA were getting their tongs in a twist. He decided he would go to parliament later and headed instead to the WA HQ.

He got there and staggered into the party lobby.

"what is all this about you still being butthurt about what i said a few weeks ago? Je Suis condescending arsehole."

by **MERIZoC** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:28 pm

Kincoboh wrote:I would like to make it known that I will not be as active on here as I thought. School and other IRL committments must have my full attention at the moment.

For this reason, I would like to make it known that I am stepping down from the LSC Rep position, effective immediately.

Sorry to hear that. I guess we'll have to do another election soon.

by **United Provinces of Atlantica** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:13 pm

Kincoboh wrote:I would like to make it known that I will not be as active on here as I thought. School and other IRL committments must have my full attention at the moment.

For this reason, I would like to make it known that I am stepping down from the LSC Rep position, effective immediately.

Sorry 'bout that.

by **Kincoboh** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:11 am

I appreciate the support, but I definitely would like to give the reins to someone else who would be able to better facilitate the council's wishes. I will be on here occasionally, but not often enough to justify staying on as rep.

My Fanfics · by **Osea 767** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:17 am

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:Given that nobody has objected, that it was advertised clearly, and that nobody else had declared their intentions to run, it seems Glasgia will be the WA nominee.

Good. I wish him the best of luck. He can also ask me for assistance, should he need it.

The Nihilistic view wrote:"what is all this about you still being butthurt about what i said a few weeks ago? Je Suis condescending arsehole."

Could someone explain this? Apparently, I'm meant to be butthurt over something.

by **Glasgia** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:18 am

Kincoboh wrote:I appreciate the support, but I definitely would like to give the reins to someone else who would be able to better facilitate the council's wishes. I will be on here occasionally, but not often enough to justify staying on as rep.

Ok, thank you for notifying us. You've been a great part of our leadership and it's sad to see you stand down.

Would the LSC please propose another candidate to take Kincoboh's role as soon as possible?

The Nihilistic view wrote:Boris felt his phone vibrate. He picked it out of his pocket and read the message. It told him the WA were getting their tongs in a twist. He decided he would go to parliament later and headed instead to the WA HQ.

He got there and staggered into the party lobby.

"what is all this about you still being butthurt about what i said a few weeks ago? Je Suis condescending arsehole."

"Eh? Think you've got the wrong party mate. Fancy a drink while you're here? Not that you need another one by the looks of it."

My Fanfics · by **Osea 767** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:33 am

Glasgia wrote:Would the LSC please propose another candidate to take Kincoboh's role as soon as possible?

I've mentioned the matter in the LSC thread. Hopefully, that will be sorted out soon.

by **Kanatistan** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:26 pm

I Just cast my vote and I don't think we are going to win.

by **Glasgia** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:33 am

Kanatistan wrote:I Just cast my vote and I don't think we are going to win.

No, we're very unlikely to. However, we have a supply and confidence agreement with the DL/LD (that's Eugenia Malgrave on the ballot) and will support them in the second round - Which should lead to a fairly clear victory as things stand now.

My Fanfics · by **Osea 767** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:27 am

Glasgia wrote:No, we're very unlikely to. However, we have a supply and confidence agreement with the DL/LD (that's Eugenia Malgrave on the ballot) and will support them in the second round - Which should lead to a fairly clear victory as things stand now.

Correct. The second round has now started, so everyone needs to fulfil our role in that agreement. All members should cast their votes in support of Malgrave as soon as possible.

Election Second Round Thread

by **Pesda** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:23 am

I got three telegrams asking me to vote, two from the same person. :lol:

My Fanfics · by **Osea 767** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:39 am

That's merely a suitable demonstration of enthusiasm. Like this.

(waving a banner and speaking in a bland monotone) Yay Victory. Crush the other side. We're gonna win. Etc, etc

by **Pesda** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:54 am

Osea 767 wrote:That's merely a suitable demonstration of enthusiasm. Like this.

(waving a banner and speaking in a bland monotone) Yay Victory. Crush the other side. We're gonna win. Etc, etc

Ah I see. Well we are currently in the lead by almost 3:1.

by **Syndicapolis** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:44 pm

I'm sorry that I didn't vote in the first round of the election, I haven't been around much lately. But I've voted in the second round, and it's likely that there will still be victory for the left.

As for unions, I would support working within unions and arguing our position just as a means of radicalising workers and integrating ourselves in their struggles, but not becoming a part of the union apparatus. Unions are reactionary; they're part of the system, end up dividing the working class (into members and non-members) and are used as bargaining tools so that workers are oppressed more gently by the capitalist class. It's not advisable for an organisation that stands for an end to class oppression and workers' management of their own workplaces to participate in such an organisation.

(OOC: Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm trying to combine some of my RL left communist positions with the reformist "Marxism" that I adhere to IC).

by **The New Sea Territory** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:01 pm

Syndicapolis wrote:As for unions, I would support working within unions and arguing our position just as a means of radicalising workers and integrating ourselves in their struggles, but not becoming a part of the union apparatus. Unions are reactionary; they're part of the system, end up dividing the working class (into members and non-members) and are used as bargaining tools so that workers are oppressed more gently by the capitalist class. It's not advisable for an organisation that stands for an end to class oppression and workers' management of their own workplaces to participate in such an organisation.

Union are the greatest tool for worker direct action. Strikes are crippling to an economy.

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