by Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:01 pm
by Greater Weselton » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:20 pm
by Rupudska » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:22 pm
Hladgos wrote:Scantly clad women, more like tanks
seem to be blowing up everyones banks
with airstrikes from girls with wings to their knees
which show a bit more than just their panties
by The Black Forrest » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:23 pm
Anyway, the Pearl Harbor attacks were outrageous and cruel, but in a good way, they brought the US into World War II.
The Nazi Reich may not have been defeated had we remained neutral. It was the Axis' undoing to attack America.
A few questions:
Do you think that World War II would have ended differently had the Pearl Harbor attacks never happened? Would the US have been involved in the war ever?
Would the war have been an Axis victory if America didn't contribute?
If this is the case, we never would have nuked Japan. Does that mean that Japan would rule most of the Pacific/Asia today?
And...if that is the case, would Communist China have ever existed, or would it be under the rule of Imperial Japan?
How much territory would the Nazis control if America would never have intervened?
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:24 pm
by New Carloso » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:27 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Anyway, the Pearl Harbor attacks were outrageous and cruel, but in a good way, they brought the US into World War II.
Well. War is cruel. Declaring one incident? Well it may have not followed the rules but it's not on the level of what they were doing in China.
by Patrick OConner » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:27 pm
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:30 pm
The Axis powers would have beaten Stalin and the British Empire if the United States did not intervene. America couldn't have beaten the Axis without Russian support.Patrick OConner wrote:I believe that America was going to enter to the war eventually. Given the Nazi Ideology and their pattern of action up to that time, it was only a matter of time before they provoked the "sleeping giant". Now America would have entered later and that would have driven the cost of the war higher, but an America victory was inevitable. We at the time, had a large population to draw on, and a good industrial base that may take a while to get up to speed, and a relatively unspoiled land rich in natural resources but regardless we could out fight and out build the Nazis and Japan.
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:31 pm
Not when it is done right.The Black Forrest wrote:Well. War is cruel.
by Warpspace » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:34 pm
Rupudska wrote:Had America not gotten directly involved, the war's outcome would have been infinitely less certain.
-Shie- wrote:The Axis powers would have beaten Stalin and the British Empire if the United States did not intervene. America couldn't have beaten the Axis without Russian support.Patrick OConner wrote:I believe that America was going to enter to the war eventually. Given the Nazi Ideology and their pattern of action up to that time, it was only a matter of time before they provoked the "sleeping giant". Now America would have entered later and that would have driven the cost of the war higher, but an America victory was inevitable. We at the time, had a large population to draw on, and a good industrial base that may take a while to get up to speed, and a relatively unspoiled land rich in natural resources but regardless we could out fight and out build the Nazis and Japan.
by Blazedtown » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:36 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hard to say. Probably would have taken Moscow and then be shocked the Soviets didn't give up.
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:36 pm
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:40 pm
by CTALNH » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:40 pm
So Hitler would pull a few million troops out of his ass?
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:42 pm
CTALNH wrote:So Hitler would pull a few million troops out of his ass?-Shie- wrote:If America did not enter WWII everything would have gone according to plan. The civil rights movement would have started, scientific racism would be debunked, and the hippies wouldn't have a base or platform for their ideas.
by Warpspace » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:43 pm
by CTALNH » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:46 pm
by Patrick OConner » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:46 pm
by Irav » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:48 pm
-Shie- wrote:If America did not enter WWII everything would have gone according to plan. The civil rights movement would have started, scientific racism would be debunked, and the hippies wouldn't have a base or platform for their ideas.
by Galloism » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:49 pm
Irav wrote:-Shie- wrote:If America did not enter WWII everything would have gone according to plan. The civil rights movement would have started, scientific racism would be debunked, and the hippies wouldn't have a base or platform for their ideas.
Well the United States wasn't really neutral, before Pearl Harbor happened they helped the Brits by selling them goods.
by Warpspace » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:50 pm
Irav wrote:-Shie- wrote:If America did not enter WWII everything would have gone according to plan. The civil rights movement would have started, scientific racism would be debunked, and the hippies wouldn't have a base or platform for their ideas.
Well the United States wasn't really neutral, before Pearl Harbor happened they helped the Brits by selling them goods.
by -Shie- » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:50 pm
Good, the Axis should not have won but the defensive war effort of the United States changed to offensive too quickly. If the United States was defensively prepared for WWII the social changes of the sixties wouldn't have been so drastic.Warpspace wrote:-Shie- wrote:If America did not enter WWII everything would have gone according to plan.
How? The Axis were laughably outgunned and out manned by the Commonwealth, let alone the Soviet Union to boot. The only thing that America really provided to the Western Front was logistics... which we were already supplying even had we never entered the war. When we did enter, the only thing we truly supplied was air support. Our armor was shite and only worked through mass production, and our infantry simply more bodies to back up the Commonwealth. Italy supplied nothing at all during the war thanks to leaving their entire massive, game-changing fleet in port thus leading to the British Commando strike that single handily sunk the entire thing.
Germany meanwhile wasn't even that impressive of a military state to begin with. They were a logistical nightmare doomed to lose simply due to being incredibly impotent. Everything from the doctrine on how they conducted air warfare (SEND ALL THE ACES) to setting up logistics to back them up while invading was just awful. The Blitzkrieg tactic only worked if the enemy wasn't dug in (or with the French, having their guns pointed in the wrong direction) or mobilized. Then there was the hilariously incompetent invasion of the Soviets, which forgot to set up a logistical train for ammunition and winter gear for soldiers on the Russian front. Thus leading to them being slaughtered by the Russians, who were willing to do anything to survive as it was a war of survival.
With how hilariously incompetent the Germans and Italians were, they would have never won the war, even just against the Commonwealth. It would have been a very, very bloody war lasting maybe for even a decade, but the Axis would have never won. The only Axis nation that could have seriously changed events was Japan, but getting all the way to the west was a problem.
by Irav » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:50 pm
by Warpspace » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:52 pm
-Shie- wrote:Good, the Axis should not have won but the defensive war effort of the United States changed to offensive too quickly. If the United States was defensively prepared for WWII the social changes of the sixties wouldn't have been so drastic.Warpspace wrote:
How? The Axis were laughably outgunned and out manned by the Commonwealth, let alone the Soviet Union to boot. The only thing that America really provided to the Western Front was logistics... which we were already supplying even had we never entered the war. When we did enter, the only thing we truly supplied was air support. Our armor was shite and only worked through mass production, and our infantry simply more bodies to back up the Commonwealth. Italy supplied nothing at all during the war thanks to leaving their entire massive, game-changing fleet in port thus leading to the British Commando strike that single handily sunk the entire thing.
Germany meanwhile wasn't even that impressive of a military state to begin with. They were a logistical nightmare doomed to lose simply due to being incredibly impotent. Everything from the doctrine on how they conducted air warfare (SEND ALL THE ACES) to setting up logistics to back them up while invading was just awful. The Blitzkrieg tactic only worked if the enemy wasn't dug in (or with the French, having their guns pointed in the wrong direction) or mobilized. Then there was the hilariously incompetent invasion of the Soviets, which forgot to set up a logistical train for ammunition and winter gear for soldiers on the Russian front. Thus leading to them being slaughtered by the Russians, who were willing to do anything to survive as it was a war of survival.
With how hilariously incompetent the Germans and Italians were, they would have never won the war, even just against the Commonwealth. It would have been a very, very bloody war lasting maybe for even a decade, but the Axis would have never won. The only Axis nation that could have seriously changed events was Japan, but getting all the way to the west was a problem.
The domestic American race problem would've been solved sooner. The cultural marxism of radical feminists wouldn't have happened because the notions of free-love would have no base. Millions of American men wouldn't have died in war so the culture of the United States wouldn't have switched to the matriarchal hippie swinger lifestyle with the abundance of men to preserve traditional values.
The Axis would have inevitably lost but the United States should have had no place in it's destruction when we had our own issues to deal with.
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