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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:08 pm

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Republic of Libanon wrote:That is a sad incident, but every armed faction does things like that.

Ain't that just the most adorable apologist you've ever seen? The answer is no, of course. People calling the deliberate slaughter of defenseless citizens 'a sad incident' because they're just so enamoured with their Christian fascist movement are not adorable at all. Other, more pernicious words would be much more suitable to describe such persons, but we wouldn't want the fascists on NationStates to feel persecuted, now would we?



Anyone who holds ideas based on the Falangista movement ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:09 pm

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Merizoc wrote:Fascist? Wut?

They are fiscal left-wing and proud of their etnicity to range thar they even have indian supramist tendencies. Considering they are religious in that they are practicising Mayan believes.
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In one word they are fascist.

That's like saying all Left Wing Christian American Patriots are Fascists.
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Postby Harpers Ferry » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:10 pm

Republic of Libanon wrote:
Harpers Ferry wrote:But you know, the group that massacred men women and children in a refugee camp are a-ok.


That is a sad incident, but every armed faction does things like that.

Oh come on you're not even trying.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:11 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Ain't that just the most adorable apologist you've ever seen? The answer is no, of course. People calling the deliberate slaughter of defenseless citizens 'a sad incident' because they're just so enamoured with their Christian fascist movement are not adorable at all. Other, more pernicious words would be much more suitable to describe such persons, but we wouldn't want the fascists on NationStates to feel persecuted, now would we?

Anyone who holds ideas based on the Falangista movement ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They don't really do shame in the Middle East, I'm afraid.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:12 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Anyone who holds ideas based on the Falangista movement ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They don't really do shame in the Middle East, I'm afraid.


Not regarding this, it seems.
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Postby Buse » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:13 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Buse wrote:They are fiscal left-wing and proud of their etnicity to range thar they even have indian supramist tendencies. Considering they are religious in that they are practicising Mayan believes.


In one word they are fascist.

:palm:
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They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:16 pm

Buse wrote:

They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

Raci—They're not racist, they want indigenous autonomy! Huge difference.

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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:18 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Buse wrote:They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

Raci—They're not racist, they want indigenous autonomy! Huge difference.

If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:22 pm

Buse wrote:

They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

...A resistance against Mexico's poor treatment of southern indigenous people is racism?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:24 pm

Buse wrote:

They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

There are no parallels between the two that are in any way significant. Stop talking shit.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Buse wrote:They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

There are no parallels between the two that are in any way significant. Stop talking shit.

Yay. Yet another person saying Common Sense.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:26 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Buse wrote:They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

There are no parallels between the two that are in any way significant. Stop talking shit.

"They….they both fought people. Fascists!"

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:33 pm

Condunum wrote:
Buse wrote:They may not agree to indentify with fascism but the parallel berween two are to many. Espwcially the racism that the two have in common.

...A resistance against Mexico's poor treatment of southern indigenous people is racism?

Maybe Buse believes that any form of protest against exploitation and being treated as second class citizens is equal to fascism and racism. Maybe Buse does not really know what reality is.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:34 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Condunum wrote:...A resistance against Mexico's poor treatment of southern indigenous people is racism?

Maybe Buse believes that any form of protest against exploitation and being treated as second class citizens is equal to fascism and racism. Maybe Buse does not really know what reality is.

The second one isn't a maybe.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby Scomagia » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:35 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Scomagia wrote:There are no parallels between the two that are in any way significant. Stop talking shit.

"They….they both fought people. Fascists!"

"OMG, that means every country is Fascist!"
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:36 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"They….they both fought people. Fascists!"

"OMG, that means every country is Fascist!"

Except Liechtenstein, because that's just logic.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby Buse » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:37 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Raci—They're not racist, they want indigenous autonomy! Huge difference.

If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.

They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.
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Postby Revanchism » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"They….they both fought people. Fascists!"

"OMG, that means every country is Fascist!"

Fascist!
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:38 pm

Buse wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.

They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.

Everybody, I can't bring myself to reply to this. Shoot this down for me.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby New Terricon » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Republic of Libanon wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:Are the EZLN more or less acceptable than the Mexican government in your opinion, OP?



Well Mexican Government is corrupt, but EZLN are a credible threat.

A credible threat to the corrupt government you say?

As I see it, they are no different than any other freedom fighter organization. If you're going to call this group terroristic, then the Sons of Liberty and French Revolutionaries are just as bad.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Buse wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.

They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.

What reports where? What of the reported of mexican police raping over a hundred people in a brutal crackdown on protests?
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Postby Revanchism » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Buse wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.

They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.

What you're saying is approximately equal to those who've lambasted Malcolm X.
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Should have been titled A Trve Friend.
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The Rodina wrote:It was american is hardly an argument.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:41 pm

New Terricon wrote:
Republic of Libanon wrote:

Well Mexican Government is corrupt, but EZLN are a credible threat.

A credible threat to the corrupt government you say?

As I see it, they are no different than any other freedom fighter organization. If you're going to call this group terroristic, then the Sons of Liberty and French Revolutionaries are just as bad.

And the American Resistance.

Oh, and we might as well call the Italian Freedom Fighters who fought Mussolini Terrorists too. Makes as much sense as everything else.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:43 pm

Revanchism wrote:
Buse wrote:They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.

What you're saying is approximately equal to those who've lambasted Malcolm X.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:46 pm

Buse wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:If anything, they are Pro-Native, which I can approve of. That's the opposite of Racism.

They are, unfortunately, to extreme in nativism. They want to make an etnical clean Chiapas where tge "dirty Castillians wont master" them anymore. There are even report of racial motivated attacks on non-Mayan Mexicans.

SHame the people who supports those racist.


Can you blame them for that mentality? I don't condone violence but taking history into account, Amerindians were victims of abuse by non-Amerindians for centuries. Is it really that strange that they're retaliating? That they're fighting to preserve their heritage, their identity?

Mind you, there are other ways, but this turn of events isn't surprising to me.
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