Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Upper America]

Well, they did kill off a lot of natives, and tried to force Indian Muslims and Hindus to violate their religion's rules.

Which has zero relevance to our conduct in Iraq. BTW, yeah, we stopped Indian Muslims and Hindus from following their religion's rules. For instance, we stopped Hindus throwing widows on their husbands' funeral pyres. What barbarians we were.

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat. In Muslim and Hindu culture, you cannot make any mouth contact with pig or cow meat or fat. This sparked a revolution, and a massacre. Can't remember who perpetrate the massacre, though.

[Blakk Metal]

Which has zero relevance to our conduct in Iraq. BTW, yeah, we stopped Indian Muslims and Hindus from following their religion's rules. For instance, we stopped Hindus throwing widows on their husbands' funeral pyres. What barbarians we were.

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat.

So what? The manufacturers weren't thinking, "Let's force those fucking Desis to break their stupid rules!" They were trying to make good guns.

[Old Tyrannia]

Which has zero relevance to our conduct in Iraq. BTW, yeah, we stopped Indian Muslims and Hindus from following their religion's rules. For instance, we stopped Hindus throwing widows on their husbands' funeral pyres. What barbarians we were.

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat. In Muslim and Hindu culture, you cannot make any mouth contact with pig or cow meat or fat. This sparked a revolution, and a massacre. Can't remember who perpetrate the massacre, though.

That wasn't a deliberate attempt to force Hindus and Muslims to break their religion's rules, though. That was just British businessmen being ignorant of native customs, which is not quite the same thing.

[Upper America]

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat.

So what? The manufacturers weren't thinking, "Let's force those fucking Desis to break their stupid rules!" They were trying to make good guns.

The animal fat is not necessary on the cartridges.

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat. In Muslim and Hindu culture, you cannot make any mouth contact with pig or cow meat or fat. This sparked a revolution, and a massacre. Can't remember who perpetrate the massacre, though.

That wasn't a deliberate attempt to force Hindus and Muslims to break their religion's rules, though. That was just British businessmen being ignorant of native customs, which is not quite the same thing.

Again, the animal fat wasn't necessary on the cartridges.

[Talanzaar]

So basically 14 years old and 2 months.

Maybe I'm overstepping a bit, but what made you turn towards Islam if your parents aren't Muslims? And why the extreme strain of it?

Well my family is islamophobic as well I loved Arab culture and my family being islamophobic discussed Islam a lot so I learned I did my own research of it and fell in love with it and decided this is what I believe every part of it. It is pure it is modest humble and moral. It's universiatality the mission of the holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and Allah lord not that of just the Arabs and Muslims but of the worlds. And I can't understand not being a radical about it I take the Qu'uran seriously and literal as muslims should I want to emulate Muhammad(PBUH) I want to emulate his Shahabah and Ahlubayt. I think fighting in gods way for god for religion is a beautiful and noble and rightoues thing to leave your luxuries and loved ones for the sake of god. And the faith and the community that I have observed from muslims is just amazing and Muslims are the nicest people whom I have ever met. I just want to be in a country of Muslims hear the calls to prayer where the clothing in public pray in a mosque go on hajj live with good values free from drugs and addiction and even debt and enjoy the community that it is.

Well you're in the wrong country and theres nothing you can do to change it.

[Murkwood]

You weren't in the conversation, so you have no idea what we were talking about.

What I was talking about when I said the british tried to force the Indians to break religious rules was when they greased gunpowder cartridges with pig and cow fat so when the Indians hired to be soldiers by the British went to bite off the rubber cap, they'd consume the fat. In Muslim and Hindu culture, you cannot make any mouth contact with pig or cow meat or fat. This sparked a revolution, and a massacre. Can't remember who perpetrate the massacre, though.

That wasn't a deliberate attempt to force Hindus and Muslims to break their religion's rules, though. That was just British businessmen being ignorant of native customs, which is not quite the same thing.

Oh, Britain. Your incompetence rivals your malice.

[Talanzaar]

I highly doubt people would follow some random American dude who plopped his ass down, but okay.

Either way, you know if you fight the West it's a death sentence, right? The West has occupied every single Islamic country, ever. The West has consistently resisted Islamic attacks since the 7th century. You haven't won at any time in that, what makes you think now is different, when the disparity is reversed and the Islamic world has the short end of the stick?

And even then, you are not the Islamic world. We could fight you forever using Muslims who support secularism and democracy and not have to have one Western soldier die. You're only good at killing your own people and a few Western civilians. How does that make you feel?

I just thought of something - how do we even know he's really Muslim at all?

He isn't. Preaching and encouraging violence and hate make make him anything but. Terrorists pick and choose what verses they want to follow and they make up fake rumors that scare people into listening to them. "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion" - a verse in the Quran terrorists like to forget.

[Old Tyrannia]

That wasn't a deliberate attempt to force Hindus and Muslims to break their religion's rules, though. That was just British businessmen being ignorant of native customs, which is not quite the same thing.

Oh, Britain. Your incompetence rivals your malice.

And yet we were the largest empire the world has ever seen, the largest economy in the world for a time, and the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution that in many respects created the modern world. If we're incompetent, what does that say about our rivals?

I just thought of something - how do we even know he's really Muslim at all?

He isn't. Preaching and encouraging violence and hate make make him anything but. Terrorists pick and choose what verses they want to follow and they make up fake rumors that scare people into listening to them. "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion" - a verse in the Quran terrorists like to forget.

And also, he's never visited a mosque and outright stated his knowledge of Islam is based on "research" he undertook after hearing about Islam from his "Islamophobic" parents, meaning he likely knows little about what Islam really teaches and just picked it up as an act of teenage rebellion. Once upon a time, kids became punk rockers to rebel against their parents; now they become religious fanatics and support terrorist groups.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

From what I see, looks like ISIS has not only stalled, seems the "Caliphate" is either doomed to remain a flash in the pan or just doomed

[Blakk Metal]

You do realize the Ottoman Empire banned printing presses and routinely kidnapped non-Muslims and turned them into slaves, right?

And the US had skaves , and the Russian Empire had routine ethnic cleansings like it was no thing. If a country is around for hundreds of years, they do shittastic things. Pretty sure they weren't doing that right up til the end.

I concede, they did indeed ban slavery during their last decades.

[Saiwania]

And also, he's never visited a mosque and outright stated his knowledge of Islam is based on "research" he undertook after hearing about Islam from his "Islamophobic" parents, meaning he likely knows little about what Islam really teaches and just picked it up as an act of teenage rebellion. Once upon a time, kids became punk rockers to rebel against their parents; now they become religious fanatics and support terrorist groups.

Heh, well I wouldn't have that in my household, I'd send my child to a boot camp if I had to.

So far as Iraq's civil war is concerned, I haven't seen the front lines shift very rapidly as of late, it is frustrating for me to keep track of something if it is a stalemate. If Obama stopped being so dead set on only dealing with the impotent central Iraqi government and the green light was given to send weaponry to the Kurds, I think the Kurds could start advancing again.

[Upper America]

And also, he's never visited a mosque and outright stated his knowledge of Islam is based on "research" he undertook after hearing about Islam from his "Islamophobic" parents, meaning he likely knows little about what Islam really teaches and just picked it up as an act of teenage rebellion. Once upon a time, kids became punk rockers to rebel against their parents; now they become religious fanatics and support terrorist groups.

Heh, well I wouldn't have that in my household, I'd send my child to a boot camp if I had to.

So far as Iraq's civil war is concerned, I haven't seen the front lines shift very rapidly as of late, it is frustrating for me to keep track of something if it is a stalemate. If Obama stopped being so dead set on only dealing with the impotent central Iraqi government and the green light was given to send weaponry to the Kurds, I think the Kurds could start advancing again.

There's a front line? I thought it was just a huge clusterfuck with the occasional airstrike.

[Blakk Metal]

Heh, well I wouldn't have that in my household, I'd send my child to a boot camp if I had to.

So far as Iraq's civil war is concerned, I haven't seen the front lines shift very rapidly as of late, it is frustrating for me to keep track of something if it is a stalemate. If Obama stopped being so dead set on only dealing with the impotent central Iraqi government and the green light was given to send weaponry to the Kurds, I think the Kurds could start advancing again.

There's a front line? I thought it was just a huge clusterfuck with the occasional airstrike.

That's every war since 1912.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's a front line? I thought it was just a huge clusterfuck with the occasional airstrike.

That's every war since 1912.

Both World War's and Korea had very clear cut front lines, so no it's not.

[Blakk Metal]

That's every war since 1912.

Both World War's and Korea had very clear cut front lines, so no it's not.

Not really, attacks behind the front lines are very common in modern warfare.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Both World War's and Korea had very clear cut front lines, so no it's not.

Not really, attacks behind the front lines are very common in modern warfare.

That doesn't change the fact there are front lines in most wars. Maneuver Warfare became a thing during and after WW2 but it didn't negate things like a front line. Hence why we still had well defined front lines, albeit rapidly moving ones when we invaded Iraq.

[Cyrisnia]

Both World War's and Korea had very clear cut front lines, so no it's not.

Not really, attacks behind the front lines are very common in modern warfare.

But was it like that in Serbia?

[Blakk Metal]

Not really, attacks behind the front lines are very common in modern warfare.

That doesn't change the fact there are front lines in most wars. Maneuver Warfare became a thing during and after WW2 but it didn't negate things like a front line. Hence why we still had well defined front lines, albeit rapidly moving ones when we invaded Iraq.

What about partisans, and strategic bombing?

[Greed and Death]

The British were better than all those three.

Well, they did kill off a lot of natives, and tried to force Indian Muslims and Hindus to violate their religion's rules.

If only they had a religious Freedom restoration act in the UK, could have avoided the whole bloody Sepoy rebellion.

[Ganos Lao]

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion" - a verse in the Quran terrorists like to forget.

Until one of them tries to use it to go like "see? Allah says we shouldn't deal with those Jews and Christians!!!!"

[Washington Resistance Army]

That doesn't change the fact there are front lines in most wars. Maneuver Warfare became a thing during and after WW2 but it didn't negate things like a front line. Hence why we still had well defined front lines, albeit rapidly moving ones when we invaded Iraq.

What about partisans, and strategic bombing?

Anti partisan warfare, or COIN is different from standard warfare and has to be handled differently. You can't have front lines against an underground group. As for strategic bombing, what of it?

[Bundabunda]

Free Kurdistan

If Kurdistan gets independence, it remains to be seen if the Turks will approve of it, seeing as they've been feuding with Kurdish fighters for numerous years.

PKK (I think they might be the worst of the three Kurdish groups in the region) actually want peace with the Turkish government and vis-a-vis. That stuff's a bit in the past. It's why they were allowed the border crossing into Iraq and all that.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... th-the-pkk

[United Marxist Nations]

If Kurdistan gets independence, it remains to be seen if the Turks will approve of it, seeing as they've been feuding with Kurdish fighters for numerous years.

PKK (I think they might be the worst of the three Kurdish groups in the region) actually want peace with the Turkish government and vis-a-vis. That stuff's a bit in the past. It's why they were allowed the border crossing into Iraq and all that.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... th-the-pkk

What's wrong with PKK?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Going back to the IS subject : If they win the wars in Syria and Iraq,is there any chance of the international community accepting them as the rulers?

They accepted The Taliban.

[Geilinor]

They accepted The Taliban.

Three countries are not the international community.