Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Shofercia]

Ohh shit. Here we go, ole, ole, ole

Which American Bank is going to get hit? Reset 2016?

I have no idea what the Russian response will be. Let's see them slap sanctions on JP Morgan Chase or some other global financial firm

I doubt the impact on Russia's financial system will be significant, the intent of the sanction is to try to hit important people within the Russian administration, many of whom are prominent shareholders in Bank Rossiya.

All of the politicians, except three or four members of FR, broke all of their contacts with US businesses. So I don't see them as losing much. Zheleznyak bragged on national TV that he transferred all of his assets from the US, and implied that US sanctions against Russian politicians were a tax against idiocy. As for the businessmen, I think they might've also been prepared, but not too sure about that. A bank, on the other hand, is a bank, and it's harder for a bank to conserve assets.

[The New Lowlands]

Whatever happened to "Russians out, Germans down?"

[Lemanrussland]

Whatever happened to "Russians out, Germans down?"

We're not in the Cold War anymore (at least for now).

[Limborg]

Yes they should. Nobody wants a new world war.

Please. Russia isn't willing to commit to even a regional war. If the West pushes back hard enough with sanctions and the like, Russia will back down.

And where is that democracy then? The new gouverment of Ukraine was installed. People never voted for that change.

The sitting government of the Ukraine was formed from elected members of the Ukrainian parliament, and has set dates for elections for later this year. Not to mention that Yanukovitch was ousted via popular movement.

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

[Lemanrussland]

Please. Russia isn't willing to commit to even a regional war. If the West pushes back hard enough with sanctions and the like, Russia will back down.



The sitting government of the Ukraine was formed from elected members of the Ukrainian parliament, and has set dates for elections for later this year. Not to mention that Yanukovitch was ousted via popular movement.

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

Parliament unanimously impeached Yanukovych for his response to the protests, that's pretty clear cut.

[Madnolia]

Putin cant seem to understand that russia aint the soviet union anymore.

The soviet union was a crappy corrupt place that was a world superpower,

The russian federation is the same minus the superpower bit. Putin dosnt have the military strength to invade a country with a defence force stronger than the salvation army.

[Estado Paulista]

Please. Russia isn't willing to commit to even a regional war. If the West pushes back hard enough with sanctions and the like, Russia will back down.



The sitting government of the Ukraine was formed from elected members of the Ukrainian parliament, and has set dates for elections for later this year. Not to mention that Yanukovitch was ousted via popular movement.

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

It's amusing how you refuse to acknowledge Yanukovych's impeachment as democratic, yet you recognize the Crimean referendum.

[The New Lowlands]

Whatever happened to "Russians out, Germans down?"

We're not in the Cold War anymore (at least for now).

You say that, but...

[Madnolia]

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

Parliament unanimously impeached Yanukovych for his response to the protests, that's pretty clear cut.

Britain has used the gibraltar and falklands referendums to claim sovereignty. I suppose it would have been slightly more credible if russia had done the vote BEFORE they sent the tanks in.

[Limborg]

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

Parliament unanimously impeached Yanukovych for his response to the protests, that's pretty clear cut.

That maybe yes, however its still debatable if it really was unanimous. Anyhow, the whole new parliment thing isn't. Anyhow, the new Ukrainian gouverment already showed that they have no respect for the treaties they sign. So why should we trust them? They are the ones in fact that started this whole mess.

[Limborg]

1. Europe can't afford risking anything.. If Russia would cut off the gas Europe is screwed. Europe knows this and keeps quiet. Besides that. The Crimean decission was democraticly made, so why would that be a problem while the Ukrianian gouverment isn't?

2. That doesn't make it democraticly chosen.. At most semi-democraticly chosen. In the end the people did not voted for them. Also a reminder, it has never been proved that the "popular movement" represented the majority of Ukraine.

It's amusing how you refuse to acknowledge Yanukovych's impeachment as democratic, yet you recognize the Crimean referendum.

Never said that.

[Natalia Poklonskaya]

I bet I could beat every single Bandera Devil in the Ukrainian Government simultaneously in a blinking contest.

[Costa Fierro]

Anyhow, the new Ukrainian gouverment already showed that they have no respect for the treaties they sign. So why should we trust them?

And the Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea is a violation of the treaty it signed with the Ukraine in the 90's when they were told to give up their nuclear warheads. I'm amused you think that the Ukrainians somehow brought this on themselves and that the Russians are justified.

[Estado Paulista]

I bet I could beat every single Bandera Devil in the Ukrainian Government simultaneously in a blinking contest.

Okay, now it's getting annoying.

[Lyttenburgh]

Anyhow, the new Ukrainian gouverment already showed that they have no respect for the treaties they sign. So why should we trust them?

And the Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea is a violation of the treaty it signed with the Ukraine in the 90's when they were told to give up their nuclear warheads. I'm amused you think that the Ukrainians somehow brought this on themselves and that the Russians are justified.

Funny fact - Russia did not ratified the 1994 Budapest treaty. Even under West's Good Ol' Pal Boris

[Limborg]

Anyhow, the new Ukrainian gouverment already showed that they have no respect for the treaties they sign. So why should we trust them?

And the Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea is a violation of the treaty it signed with the Ukraine in the 90's when they were told to give up their nuclear warheads. I'm amused you think that the Ukrainians somehow brought this on themselves and that the Russians are justified.

What treaty?

Anyhow, i don't say its legally justified, but yes, i do say that its justified and i do support it. In the end its the people who want it, and such thing should Always be supported.. I wonder where the west is with its glorious democracy... Oh that's right, they don't give two shits about it. But hey, i do.

[Madnolia]

And the Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea is a violation of the treaty it signed with the Ukraine in the 90's when they were told to give up their nuclear warheads. I'm amused you think that the Ukrainians somehow brought this on themselves and that the Russians are justified.

What treaty?

Anyhow, i don't say its legally justified, but yes, i do say that its justified and i do support it. In the end its the people who want it, and such thing should Always be supported.. I wonder where the west is with its glorious democracy... Oh that's right, they don't give two shits about it. But hey, i do.

Good point, if the people of crimea want to be russian cant they just be russian and everyone just CTFO.

[Costa Fierro]

Funny fact - Russia did not ratified the 1994 Budapest treaty. Even under West's Good Ol' Pal Boris

It wasn't ratified by the US either. Nevertheless, Russia violated it and it is now paying the price.

[Estruia]

Can't argue against that. Of course, the EU has more of an ability to accept punishment than Russia.

Does it? Russians survived the 1990s; EU didn't have it that bad since the 1940s. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/profile/country/rus/

Russia can do without EU imports. EU can do without Russian exports, or can it? The average European wouldn't enjoy being hit by higher gas prices over Crimea. The average Russian will take the economic hit, as majority of Russians stated that Russia should take Crimea, even if sanctions follow.

You are REALLY playing up Russia's importance here.

[Madnolia]

Does it? Russians survived the 1990s; EU didn't have it that bad since the 1940s. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/profile/country/rus/

Russia can do without EU imports. EU can do without Russian exports, or can it? The average European wouldn't enjoy being hit by higher gas prices over Crimea. The average Russian will take the economic hit, as majority of Russians stated that Russia should take Crimea, even if sanctions follow.

You are REALLY playing up Russia's importance here.

russia could turn the gas off, europe will buy
it from a slightly less cheap supplier in exchange for adding an entire country's GDP to the europool.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Putin cant seem to understand that russia aint the soviet union anymore.

The soviet union was a crappy corrupt place that was a world superpower,

The russian federation is the same minus the superpower bit. Putin dosnt have the military strength to invade a country with a defence force stronger than the salvation army.

That crappy, corrupt place is the only country with the launch capability to send manned missions to the ISS. They also run most of the supply missions.

[Estruia]

You are REALLY playing up Russia's importance here.

russia could turn the gas off, europe will buy
it from a slightly less cheap supplier in exchange for adding an entire country's GDP to the europool.

We're also headed into Spring and Summer, which means demand for Russian gas will be down. That gives the European Union a year to stockpile, set up new trade agreements and prepare. Russian gas isn't invaluable.

[Cascadistan]

How about Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo.

I'd go with Ukraine Crisis II: Crisis Moar n00b!

[The Fascist American Empire]

Croatia is a largely ethnic Russian area that has stated its desire to be a part of Russia, rather than Ukraine. Is it so wrong to give people what they want?

[Estruia]

Croatia is a largely ethnic Russian area that has stated its desire to be a part of Russia, rather than Ukraine. Is it so wrong to give people what they want?

Um. Lol. Wat.