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Society is decaying.

Postby Taber » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:37 pm

I'm an Army Veteran who currently lives in Kansas and is a registered Republican. I am on break from my college semesters and it's the holidays. I've been spending time around a lot of relatives, both close and distant, and they all have had things to say. They spoke of how Colorado legalizing weed was a sure-fire sign that society is degrading. Equal marriage is a sign that American society is decaying into slothful and corrupting decadence. America just isn't the country that is use to be. Things were better in the past. The current generations don't know anything about work, or being good neighbors, or knowing their place.


Bull crap.

Maybe it's just me, but I seriously doubt any of these things show a sign of decay of civilization or the United States as a nation. Marijuana use has always been a thing within these relatives life-times. Homosexual relations have been a thing since, likely, the dawn of our species and certainly been a thing since these relatives were alive. How do these things being more public bring about societal decay and degradation? Not to mention, these opinions have grown more vocal since President Obama became President. I'd like to think that society has gotten better since, ya'know, secret invasions of Cambodia and slavery were around. It's not like these facets of human living haven't been around.

Do you think society is plummeting into the mud or is this a bunch of old folks merely claiming to be superior?

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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:37 pm

No, it is not. In fact, it is getting better.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:38 pm

I can't complain. More weed and marriages are always a good thing.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:40 pm

To me, legalizing marijuana is a realization that prohibition has failed much like in alcohol. If one doesn't like marijuana, don't smoke it!
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Postby Taber » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:42 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:No, it is not. In fact, it is getting better.


Then why do these people feel this way? How is SOCIETY IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL?

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Postby Nanzheng » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:42 pm

Every generation always laments social decline and harkens back to some "golden age". On balance I think things are neither better nor worse than they have been in the past. Nihil novi sub sole.

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Postby Neuhausen » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:44 pm

Yes, situation is getting worse. Drugs should never be legalized.

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Postby Jamjai » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:47 pm

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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:48 pm

Taber wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:No, it is not. In fact, it is getting better.


Then why do these people feel this way? How is SOCIETY IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL?


They were probably raised that way. They don't welcome societal change because it might seem wrong or bad in their flawed perception of morality. I don't think there's anything you can do about it, really.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:49 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:No, it is not. In fact, it is getting better.

I agree. we are better than ever.
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Postby Neuhausen » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:49 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Taber wrote:
Then why do these people feel this way? How is SOCIETY IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL?


They were probably raised that way. They don't welcome societal change because it might seem wrong or bad in their flawed perception of morality. I don't think there's anything you can do about it, really.


How can you call their views flawed?

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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:51 pm

Neuhausen wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
They were probably raised that way. They don't welcome societal change because it might seem wrong or bad in their flawed perception of morality. I don't think there's anything you can do about it, really.


How can you call their views flawed?


Because they are flawed?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:51 pm

People have always complained that society is decaying. Even Socrates did it!

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Postby Britain and Brittany » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:51 pm

Taber wrote:I'm an Army Veteran who currently lives in Kansas and is a registered Republican. I am on break from my college semesters and it's the holidays. I've been spending time around a lot of relatives, both close and distant, and they all have had things to say. They spoke of how Colorado legalizing weed was a sure-fire sign that society is degrading. Equal marriage is a sign that American society is decaying into slothful and corrupting decadence. America just isn't the country that is use to be. Things were better in the past. The current generations don't know anything about work, or being good neighbors, or knowing their place.


Bull crap.

Maybe it's just me, but I seriously doubt any of these things show a sign of decay of civilization or the United States as a nation. Marijuana use has always been a thing within these relatives life-times. Homosexual relations have been a thing since, likely, the dawn of our species and certainly been a thing since these relatives were alive. How do these things being more public bring about societal decay and degradation? Not to mention, these opinions have grown more vocal since President Obama became President. I'd like to think that society has gotten better since, ya'know, secret invasions of Cambodia and slavery were around. It's not like these facets of human living haven't been around.

Do you think society is plummeting into the mud or is this a bunch of old folks merely claiming to be superior?

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Postby Neuhausen » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:51 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
How can you call their views flawed?


Because they are flawed?


Their views are flawed only because you think so?

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Postby Lydenburg » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:51 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:No, it is not. In fact, it is getting better.


On this: it's a matter of perspective. OP, some people indeed interpret the factors named or implied thereof as being signs of social enlightenment. Just as many in the interpret these same factors are signs of social decline. It's in the perspective.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:52 pm

Britain and Brittany wrote:The 1950s were the peak of human civilisation

Source?
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Postby Sensorland » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:53 pm

Nanzheng wrote:Every generation always laments social decline and harkens back to some "golden age". On balance I think things are neither better nor worse than they have been in the past. Nihil novi sub sole.

Most of these "Golden ages" weren't as good as their minds trick them into thinking. Society is getting better, definitely.
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Postby Lydenburg » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:53 pm

Britain and Brittany wrote:
Taber wrote:I'm an Army Veteran who currently lives in Kansas and is a registered Republican. I am on break from my college semesters and it's the holidays. I've been spending time around a lot of relatives, both close and distant, and they all have had things to say. They spoke of how Colorado legalizing weed was a sure-fire sign that society is degrading. Equal marriage is a sign that American society is decaying into slothful and corrupting decadence. America just isn't the country that is use to be. Things were better in the past. The current generations don't know anything about work, or being good neighbors, or knowing their place.


Bull crap.

Maybe it's just me, but I seriously doubt any of these things show a sign of decay of civilization or the United States as a nation. Marijuana use has always been a thing within these relatives life-times. Homosexual relations have been a thing since, likely, the dawn of our species and certainly been a thing since these relatives were alive. How do these things being more public bring about societal decay and degradation? Not to mention, these opinions have grown more vocal since President Obama became President. I'd like to think that society has gotten better since, ya'know, secret invasions of Cambodia and slavery were around. It's not like these facets of human living haven't been around.

Do you think society is plummeting into the mud or is this a bunch of old folks merely claiming to be superior?

The 1950s were the peak of human civilisation


inb4 "except for ethnic minorities, homosexuals, mental patients, and the lower class".

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:53 pm

Britain and Brittany wrote:
Taber wrote:I'm an Army Veteran who currently lives in Kansas and is a registered Republican. I am on break from my college semesters and it's the holidays. I've been spending time around a lot of relatives, both close and distant, and they all have had things to say. They spoke of how Colorado legalizing weed was a sure-fire sign that society is degrading. Equal marriage is a sign that American society is decaying into slothful and corrupting decadence. America just isn't the country that is use to be. Things were better in the past. The current generations don't know anything about work, or being good neighbors, or knowing their place.


Bull crap.

Maybe it's just me, but I seriously doubt any of these things show a sign of decay of civilization or the United States as a nation. Marijuana use has always been a thing within these relatives life-times. Homosexual relations have been a thing since, likely, the dawn of our species and certainly been a thing since these relatives were alive. How do these things being more public bring about societal decay and degradation? Not to mention, these opinions have grown more vocal since President Obama became President. I'd like to think that society has gotten better since, ya'know, secret invasions of Cambodia and slavery were around. It's not like these facets of human living haven't been around.

Do you think society is plummeting into the mud or is this a bunch of old folks merely claiming to be superior?

The 1950s were the peak of human civilisation

Yeah, man. For example, everything went to shit when those dirty black people began gaining a slew of basic rights in 60s United States. That was the signal that humanity is screwed.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:54 pm

Neuhausen wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Because they are flawed?


Their views are flawed only because you think so?


Not only because of that. They're flawed because they're outdated and not adaptable to societal change — something that is always going to happen, wether you like it or not.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:54 pm

I read "Kansas", "Republican" and "family" and I became concerned.
Good of you to be breaking stereotypes!

No, society is not collapsing.
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Postby West Afrika » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:54 pm

It's not, they're just being conservatives.

Just to seem unbiased, I don't like liberals either.
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:54 pm

If liberty and equality are somehow a form of decay, than I think we aren't decaying fast enough.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:54 pm

Old people usually think society is decaying.

It's really a matter of perception.
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